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Old 10-01-2017, 11:25 PM
 
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There is a man in my neighborhood who walks around in a paper crown and a garbage bag 'cape' and says he is a king.
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Old 10-02-2017, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Pahoa Hawaii
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There is a man in my neighborhood who walks around in a paper crown and a garbage bag 'cape' and says he is a king.
And there's another one who wears khaki, riding around in a golf cart calling himself president.
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Old 10-02-2017, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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It is politically incorrect today to produce research that demonstrates that adult men who want to dress as, or appear as, women are actually not women, but rather men who have a fragile mental states.
In other words, you ain't got ****.

But I do!

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Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193

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Transsexuals have the strong feeling, often from childhood onwards, of having been born the wrong sex. The possible psychogenic or biological aetiology of transsexuality has been the subject of debate for many years. Here we show that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminals (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behaviour, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals. The size of the BSTc was not influenced by sex hormones in adulthood and was independent of sexual orientation. Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289
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Old 10-02-2017, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Actually, you are. An XY will never be an XX. And an XX will never be an XY. Scientific fact, barring extremely rare genetic anomalies. This is what happens when the mentally weak allow "feelings" and "emotions" to overrule scientific fact.
No feelings. Just science. Deal. Or not.

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Transsexuals have the strong feeling, often from childhood onwards, of having been born the wrong sex. The possible psychogenic or biological aetiology of transsexuality has been the subject of debate for many years. Here we show that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminals (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behaviour, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals. The size of the BSTc was not influenced by sex hormones in adulthood and was independent of sexual orientation. Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289


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Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193

Personally, I ain't even going to think about giving a damn what you do with this. You can print it out , set it on fire while dancing around the flames with your fingers in your ears while chanting "fake news", but it ain't going to change the facts. It won't change who I am, what my doctors have told me, and what tests have confirmed. I am female. My identity doesn't hinge on what your or anyone else believes or doesn't about me. It hinges on what I know to be true.
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Old 10-02-2017, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Finland
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First we need to look at the difference between sex and gender. Sex is male and female (and a tiny tiny minority that are intersex) which cannot be changed. Sex-based oppression is something that females have faced throughout history and is based on their biology - that is their reproductive ability and their sexual organs, this is important to note because this is the basis for female-only spaces such as toilets, changing rooms, prisons etc. without female-only spaces they are at a greater risk of sexual assault and other oppressions (yes men can force their way into toilets and changing rooms but women have the right to challenge them before they attack - if anyone can identify as a woman then women lose that right and cannot try to prevent attacks)

Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that puts people on a scale from masculine to feminine. Gender norms and stereotypes such as clothing, make up, who is more likely to stay home with the children, who is more likely to work in STEM careers, being socialised to be assertive or to be compliant - these things are used to oppress both men and women (boys can't cry, girls must act ladylike etc.) and a key part of identifying young children as transgender - little boy that likes to wear dresses and plays with dolls is thought of as trans, little girl that climbs trees and plays with the boys is thought of as trans, and are encouraged to think of themselves as trans even though these are very normal things for children of either sex to do. Get rid of gender norms and stereotypes and gender non-confirming children will no longer be told they must be the wrong gender as gender won't exist. Its perfectly fine to be a masculine woman or a feminine man and we need to make sure our children know that.

There is however, a tiny minority of people who have genuine body dysmorphia - transsexuals, and for those people transition is generally thought to be the best treatment and should be supported but these people aren't all trans people, there are also autogynephilliac men who get a sexual kick out of presenting as female and being thought of as female - these are not the people we want accessing female-only spaces as they are then forcing unconsenting women to be part of their fetish.

The best compromise would be unisex facilities and special prison wards for trans people but female-only facilities need to remain - the rights of women cannot be erased as they are at risk of being. Already in the UK sexual offenders in prisons are identifying as trans in order to be moved to a women's prison where they have been causing problems for vulnerable female inmates (many of whom have already been victims of sexual violence or other abuse). Trans people commit crime at the same rate as their biological sex which means transwomen commit crime at the same rate as men who commit the vast majority of sexual assaults.


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How does it infringe on anyone else's rights? The folks (mostly males, it seems) who are so bent out of shape about transgender women using bathrooms and locker rooms seem to think that transgender women love to parade around in the nude and display male genitalia.

I have never seen anyone in a public restroom parading around nude, and my experience with locker rooms is that women change in the toilet cubicles. They do not parade around nude there, either.

The one case mentioned earlier was a person in a sauna, and if anyone saw her it was because the person looking was invading the privacy of the one in the sauna.
I'll give the example of my local swimming pool changing rooms - there are no toilet cubicles in the locker area where you get undressed, you then have to go to the shower room and shower naked, all open showers, zero cubicles and naked showering is mandatory. This is the swimming pool where the school children have their lessons. The trans issue hasn't quite reached here yet but it will come and then there will be problems.
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Old 10-02-2017, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don't care what you do with your life. I've got my own problems.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Big Island of Hawaii & HOT BuOYS Sailing Vessel
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What separates a civilized society versus a totalitarian one?
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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No.

You are personally authorized by the incoming Trump administration to stick your hands down anyone's pants, feel around, and stare at them in the face until you make your determination of their gender for them.
Why do we have so many teenagers posting here? And why are almost all of them left wingers?
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:29 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I don't care what you do with your life. I've got my own problems.
Exactly what I was thinking - thank you for stating it so succinctly.
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