Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
This is a LOSING issue for Democrats, and if they want to continue losing elections and even more Senate seats, etc., that's their choice. From the University of Illinois Survey Research Office:
Quote:
Thirty-seven percent of respondents support a law similar to the recently passed California legislation, which allows transgender students to “participate in sex-segregated programs, activities, and facilities” based on their self-perception and regardless of their sex assigned at birth.
Yet, only 30 percent of respondents report that transgender students should have access to a restroom or locker room of their gender identity.
Does anyone really thing a transgender goes through changing their lives, risking losing loved ones, the expense, just for attention? I don't. I think it takes a great deal of courage. I also know that their choices don't conflict with my life, so I mind my own business.
They're embarrassed, period. It's not uncommon. Hence my question about a teen (whom was born female) who is gay and doesn't quite ID as male or female...has no desire to make peers uncomfortable in a showering/changing situation. Where should this kid go?
In the IL school district with which I have experience in this matter, the anatomically male self-IDed as female supposedly transgender student with male genitals was given private facilities in which to change and shower for gym. That wasn't good enough for said student who took his complaint to the federal government because he insisted on using the girls' multiple occupancy open locker/shower room.
This is the case that prompted the Obama Admin's "Dear Colleague" letter sent to every public school in the country stating that schools would lose federal funding if they didn't let self-proclaimed (read: no proof required whatsoever) transgender students use the restroom/locker/shower room of their choice, without restrictions.
He, (and I will call him he) obviously seems to feel like being a woman, but assuming you believe it's really a legitimate thing, what is the difference between someone who should be considered transgendered and someone that just has other issues?
If, say, a guy such as in the aforementioned video who does a few things to look for like a woman and says they are a woman but is CLEARLY of the male sex albeit with no hormone replacements or what have you say they are female should we just go along with it? Should they have to do everything possible converting one's sex before they should be calling them what they say they are, or somewhere inbetween?
I may get some flack for this, but as a woman I know I would never accept at least what that person above a woman, no matter how much he may view himself female.
The word that establishes everyone as an entity unique to our country is 'free'. Words such as 'allow' in terms of pertaining to adults living their own lives in our country can be harmful to the concept of each individual's precious right as US citizens and human beings in general.
The word 'WE' can be equally harmful used in a generic sense when motivating a segregation to people with their own personal choices that are not physically harmful to others. They are used, instead, to generate a unified feeling of infringement to freedom while empowering judgement used to motivate hate that can bring this country back decades. Should it become larger unimpeded, a more divided nation can be created as population grows and new ideas are formed to each generation.
Each individual citizen has the right to live a life free from hate and bias based on the subjective judgements of others; based individually or, more dangerously, as a group. It's the core of this country. When each person forgets this, it creates a large division that can only grow.
In the IL school district with which I have experience in this matter, the anatomically male self-IDed as female supposedly transgender student with male genitals was given private facilities in which to change and shower for gym. That wasn't good enough for said student who took his complaint to the federal government because he insisted on using the girls' multiple occupancy open locker/shower room.
This is the case that prompted the Obama Admin's "Dear Colleague" letter sent to every public school in the country stating that schools would lose federal funding if they didn't let self-proclaimed (read: no proof required whatsoever) transgender students use the restroom/locker/shower room of their choice, without restrictions.
That is a very reasonable step taken by the school. Are there any documented instances to date in a public school where a trans student openly dressed or showered side by side with female students, where the female students were not given the option to dress or shower privately?
That is a very reasonable step taken by the school. Are there any documented instances to date in a public school where a trans student openly dressed or showered side by side with female students, where the female students were not given the option to dress or shower privately?
Yes. The Illinois school district case which prompted the Obama Administration "Dear Colleague" letter to every public school in the US. In the IL case, the transgender student was given private facilities to change/shower for gym class and team sports. He rejected that option, and instead insisted on using the girls' multiple occupancy open locker/shower room. He took his complaint to the Obama Admin. They issued the "Dear Colleague" letter telling every public school in the country that they would lose federal funding if they didn't let students use the restroom/locker/shower room facilities of their choice regardless of their actual anatomical gender.
Yes. The Illinois school district case which prompted the Obama Administration "Dear Colleague" letter to every public school in the US. In the IL case, the transgender student was given private facilities to change/shower for gym class and team sports. He rejected that option, and instead insisted on using the girls' multiple occupancy open locker/shower room. He took his complaint to the Obama Admin. They issued the "Dear Colleague" letter telling every public school in the country that they would lose federal funding if they didn't let students use the restroom/locker/shower room facilities of their choice regardless of their actual anatomical gender.
So how did it play out? Is this student currently openly disrobing and showering side by side with the other students against their wishes or parents wishes?
So how did it play out? Is this student currently openly disrobing and showering side by side with the other students against their wishes or parents wishes?
The student did so until he graduated. There's an ongoing lawsuit against the federal government and the school district over this. Schools have an 'in loco parentis' duty to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent of a minor student. Forcing minor students to submit to exposure by a member of the opposite anatomical sex and/or forcing minor students to expose themselves to a member of the opposite anatomical sex against the parents' and/or minor students' will/s is a violation of that responsibility.
LGBT SJWs pushed way too far on this, and there will be a negative backlash that hurts both LGBTs and Democrats. I've posted two different polls. In one, 77% of those age 30+ are opposed to letting students use facilities of their choice regardless of their actual physical anatomical sex. In the other, 70% are opposed.
LGBTs stand to lose a lot of ground on the acceptance they've gained over the years because of this issue. But that's their choice.
Last edited by InformedConsent; 01-09-2017 at 10:27 AM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
