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He, (and I will call him he) obviously seems to feel like being a woman, but assuming you believe it's really a legitimate thing, what is the difference between someone who should be considered transgendered and someone that just has other issues?
If, say, a guy such as in the aforementioned video who does a few things to look for like a woman and says they are a woman but is CLEARLY of the male sex albeit with no hormone replacements or what have you say they are female should we just go along with it? Should they have to do everything possible converting one's sex before they should be calling them what they say they are, or somewhere inbetween?
I may get some flack for this, but as a woman I know I would never accept at least what that person above a woman, no matter how much he may view himself female.
The funniest thing is that conservatards think she wants to go into a ladies room to harm women.
Why? We ALL know students change and/or shower in open multiple occupancy school gym locker/shower rooms.
Why impose on everyone else to humor theunsubstantiated self-proclaimed "identity" of such a very small minority?
And that brings me to the prior point I made... You never did answer the question... What's the legal requirement for establishing one's gender status "of choice?" Go on... cite the actual legal requirement.
If I "identify" as Queen Elizabeth, does that actually make me so?
The evidence is that not many kids shower at school any more anyway.
There is no need for a law. If there were one, it would have to apply to everyone, including you. How would you establish your "gender of choice"? Transgender people do not choose to be transgendered.
From a school's point of view, it's simple: if the child is recognized by the family and school/community as a girl (or boy) and lives culturally as a girl (or boy) then that gender should be respected.
Your refusal to understand that the transgendered person's gender identity is just as valid as your gender identity is getting tiresome, and the Queen Elizabeth question is just an example of the reductio ad absurdam fallacy.
The evidence is that not many kids shower at school any more anyway.
Others do. That's the problem.
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There is no need for a law. If there were one, it would have to apply to everyone, including you. How would you establish your "gender of choice"? Transgender people do not choose to be transgendered.
So I, too, can "claim" to be whatever/whoever I want? Sounds good to me. I'm "poor." Can I stop paying federal income tax now?
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Your refusal to understand that the transgendered person's gender identity is just as valid as your gender identity is getting tiresome, and the Queen Elizabeth question is just an example of the reductio ad absurdam fallacy.
It's not absurd. It's EXACTLY the same thing. If I claim to be something/someone I'm not, I have every right to be believed as much as a supposed transgender "claiming" to be the opposite sex. How is that not true?
Women are a type of person who grows up knowing that it is optional to give birth.
First, I don't agree with this definition - plenty of men, including, I think, you, know that it is optional to give birth. Also, if you mean, "optional for them, themselves, to give birth, for many women it is not an option.
Second, what in the world does this have to do with restrooms?
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BS. From where do you think they draw their sports teams?
Tryouts?
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This isn't about attraction. It's about actual physical anatomy. The same as has always been true in facilities that distinguish by gender.
Why do you think that this is important?
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It doesn't harm me at all, I think it is all funny because everybody should know if you have a penis you are male , if you have a vagina you are female, anything else is in your head, a mental confusion. people care because it does affect them, children sharing locker rooms and restrooms with perverts concerns people, women going to the gym having to share the locker room with men who claim they are women well yeah that should be a concern. The government changing laws to allow people with apparent mental health to become the norm and endangering the public.
These types of comments appear to show a complete lack of thinking.
Transgendered people will still exist. Children will still share locker rooms and restrooms with people you consider "perverts".
How is it not? Are there not multiple occupancy facilities that separate use by gender pretty much everywhere? If it wasn't important, all public facilities would be unisex. Note that such is not the case.
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These types of comments appear to show a complete lack of thinking.
Transgendered people will still exist. Children will still share locker rooms and restrooms with people you consider "perverts".
I didn't say they were perverts. I said they're claiming to be something they are not. And if they can do so, why shouldn't everyone else be able to do the same? I'll go first... I'm "poor." Can I stop paying federal income tax now?
How is it not? Are there not multiple occupancy facilities that separate use by gender pretty much everywhere? If it wasn't important, all public facilities would be unisex. Note that such is not the case.
Appeal to tradition fallacy
I'll ask again, why is it important?
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I didn't say they were perverts. I said they're claiming to be something they are not. And if they can do so, why shouldn't everyone else be able to do the same? I'll go first... I'm "poor." Can I stop paying federal income tax now?
I didn't say that you did say they were perverts.
That was quite clearly in reference to a different poster.
These types of comments appear to show a complete lack of thinking.
Transgendered people will still exist. Children will still share locker rooms and restrooms with people you consider "perverts".
I don't believe I said they wouldn't exist, post like this show a lack of comprehension.
It's not the problem you want to make it out to be.
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So I, too, can "claim" to be whatever/whoever I want? Sounds good to me. I'm "poor." Can I stop paying federal income tax now?
It's not absurd. It's EXACTLY the same thing. If I claim to be something/someone I'm not, I have every right to be believed as much as a supposed transgender "claiming" to be the opposite sex. How is that not true?
Those who are transgendered are not claiming to be someone they are not. They just want to live as the gender their brains are.
If you claim to be poor and you are not, you are just lying. The only person who can be Queen Elizabeth is Queen Elizabeth. Yes, you are being absurd.
Appeal to tradition fallacy
I'll ask again, why is it important?
Fallacy? Are all those Men's and Women's signs on public multiple occupancy facilities a fallacy? No.
And again, I'll stress this point... If those "self-identifying" as something they are not can do so, why shouldn't everyone else be able to do the same? I'll go first... I'm "poor." Can I stop paying federal income tax now?
It's not the problem you want to make it out to be.
Actually, it is, and I've had direct experience with it.
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Those who are transgendered are not claiming to be someone they are not.
Those claiming to be the opposite sex while still anatomically a different sex are indeed doing so. There's also a matter of DNA. An XY person is NOT a female. Nor is an XX person a male.
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If you claim to be poor and you are not, you are just lying.
If you claim to be female and you're DNA is XY, you are just lying. See how that works?
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