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Old 01-17-2017, 08:10 PM
 
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Looks like the polls have switched around, now more people support the ACA than are opposed. I think they are finally seeing all the problems with repeal.
Strange, isn't it? The closer we come to repealing it, the more people love it.

Seems I read there was surge in sign-ups recently. Is that true?
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Strange, isn't it? The closer we come to repealing it, the more people love it.

Seems I read there was surge in sign-ups recently. Is that true?
Change the name to TrumpCare and they'll all beat the crap out of you if you try to take it away.
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:32 PM
 
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It forced the US political process to take action on what is a disgraceful attitude in America about people's right to good health. We are the richest country on the planet and yet we treat some of our citizens worse than dogs.

Obamacare is flawed, no doubt about it. And it will likely be repealed. But it really opened the eyes of people as to what is possible and what is just. Eliminating discrimination for healthcare based on pre-existing conditions is huge. But so is not allowing insurance companies to drop you because you got sick. And not allowing insurance to limit what they will pay you for an illness. These things are now key parts of the dialog in what the Republicans will do to replace Obamacare. If Obamacare never existed these conversations about fair treatment of people would never occur. That is real winner here.

I personally think we can do far better than Obamacare but I think that going back to what things were before Obamacare would be worse for America.
This is great post. No matter where you stand on the issue, the ACA did good even if repealed because it set a bar....a bar that now Republicans have to meet with their replacement (if they actually come up with one). If you even recall the debates about healthcare 8 years ago, Republicans never would have said they wanted pre-existing conditions covered or prevented insurance companies from dropping sick people. Now, they wouldn't even think of offering a replacement without the most widely beneficial elements of the ACA.
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Old 01-17-2017, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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This is great post. No matter where you stand on the issue, the ACA did good even if repealed because it set a bar....a bar that now Republicans have to meet with their replacement (if they actually come up with one). If you even recall the debates about healthcare 8 years ago, Republicans never would have said they wanted pre-existing conditions covered or prevented insurance companies from dropping sick people. Now, they wouldn't even think of offering a replacement without the most widely beneficial elements of the ACA.
Exactly. You can't put the Genie back in the bottle.
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Old 01-17-2017, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This is great post. No matter where you stand on the issue, the ACA did good even if repealed because it set a bar....a bar that now Republicans have to meet with their replacement (if they actually come up with one). If you even recall the debates about healthcare 8 years ago, Republicans never would have said they wanted pre-existing conditions covered or prevented insurance companies from dropping sick people. Now, they wouldn't even think of offering a replacement without the most widely beneficial elements of the ACA.
That is true except the only two ideas on the table by Republicans to replace the ACA that are out there don't cover pre-existing conditions and insurers dropping them. The Paul plan is to go through HSAs while the Ryan plan is to go through state run high risk pool. This don't really help those who were previously sick OR the poor who only had coverage through expanded Medicaid.
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Old 01-18-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 12% of Likely U.S. Voters want to leave Obamacare as it is. Still, just 30% now think Congress and the president should repeal the entire health care law and start over again, down from November’s high of 40% and matching the lowest finding in tracking since July 2014. Fifty-six percent (56%) say Congress and the president instead should go through the law piece by piece and improve it, the highest finding to date. (To see survey question wording, click here.)


Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™

Well, there you go.
The bolded is exactly what the Democrats have been trying to get the Republicans to do for four years now--help them fix what needs fixing and improve what needs improving. And this is exactly what the Republicans have absolutely refused to even consider, instead voting again and again and again to repeal it in its entirety with nothing to replace it with.

NOW as people are on the brink of returning to the good old days of dropped or limited coverage, or no coverage at all, they suddenly wake up and realize there's a lot of good stuff in the ACA, and hey, being covered sure beats not being covered.

This infuriates me. Where were those 56 percent last November? Many of them were voting to have their healthcare taken away from them. Unreal.
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Old 01-18-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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My favorite part about the ACA is watching liberals cry when we take it away.
Mine will be watching poor, Medicaid using conservatives cry when it is taken away lol
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Old 01-18-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The only remaining choice is single-payer.
It's the only remaining choice for those blinded by ideology.

For the intelligent and those seeking Truth, there are many other options.
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Old 01-18-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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It's the only remaining choice for those blinded by ideology.

For the intelligent and those seeking Truth, there are many other options.
Depends on the assumptions you start with, doesn't it?

Now my fantasy is that the president and congress would throw health insurance companies under the bus, and then switch between reverse and forward gear a few times, just for the fun of it. Once that was out of the way, we could build something from the ground up.

But Obama didn't do that, because he knew congress wouldn't go for it (and he was right), so here we are.
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Old 01-18-2017, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The Republicans are going to hang themselves over the ACA and I can't wait. I'm going to enjoy seeing the conservatives on this board go absolutely ape s*** after the 2018 midterms. The proverbial "day of reckoning" is coming. I think some of the more moderates in the GOP see this also.
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