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Old 01-28-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So far, we heard about deporting immigrants with criminal record. I guess none of us have a problem with this. I think there is a lot of overreaction all around. It is also good idea to stop any new illegal immigrants entering county and find out a way to absorb people already here for some time into our system. I don't think any side actually trying to solve this issue. California and other cities should fight for acceptable solution for people already inside. So much fighting over their rights and nothing done to actually use them to find a solutions.

 
Old 01-28-2017, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They actually are based on probable cause. And courts have only ruled that they're not mandatory if the detainee will be held locally for more than 48 hours. Arrest warrants from other jurisdictions aren't mandatory, either.
All law enforcement agencies honor arrest warrants signed by a judge, the only caveat being is if the agency issuing the warrant refuses to extradite the detainee, in which case the arrestee will be released.

ICE detainers are not based on probable cause and the court rulings have not only applied to detention for more than 48 hours, they ruled that the mere act of detention was unlawful when it lacked probable cause or an arrest warrant.

The Supreme Court has long made clear that being held in jail, “regardless of its label”—
whether it is “termed ‘arrest’ or ‘investigatory detention’”—is a seizure that triggers
the Fourth Amendment’s full protections.
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/f..._am_limits.pdf

If you look at the link above, you will find numerous citations and further explanations of the deficiencies of ICE detainers.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 06:26 PM
 
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Until a Federal official arrests an illegal and proves in court that they are illegal, they have all the same rights as anyone else.

If someone's sentence is 30 days, they can't be held beyond that.

If a state arrests someone and condemns them to time in jail the feds can come get them while legally held.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 06:57 PM
 
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This is EXACTLY how to respond to a bully like Donald Trump-we'll keep our HALF-TRILLION dollars here in-state and moocher red states can eat [MOD CUT/profanity]

SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) – The state of California is studying ways to suspend financial transfers to Washington after the Trump administration threatened to withhold federal money from sanctuary cities, KPIX 5 has learned.

California Could Cut-Off Feds In Response To Trump Threats « CBS San Francisco
I guess you forgot the fact that the productive, agricultural componant of your state voted for Trump (as they are usually republican) and not Hillary.

If CA decided to with hold revenues from the feds (which is illegal), perhaps it might precipitate the breakup of CA into the productive ag componant of the state from the non productive, federally dependent, liberal parts of the state.

This would be "win-win". All of the ag, minerals, and the port of San Diego (naval base) going to the US and all of the welfare recipients and bums going to Mexifornia.

Take a look at the voting blocks for the counties of CA.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I guess you forgot the fact that the productive, agricultural componant of your state voted for Trump (as they are usually republican) and not Hillary.

If CA decided to with hold revenues from the feds (which is illegal), perhaps it might precipitate the breakup of CA into the productive ag componant of the state from the non productive, federally dependent, liberal parts of the state.

This would be "win-win". All of the ag, minerals, and the port of San Diego (naval base) going to the US and all of the welfare recipients and bums going to Mexifornia.

Take a look at the voting blocks for the counties of CA.
The top 10 agricultural counties in terms of value of production are:
Fresno, Tulare, Monterey, Merced, Stanislaus, San Joaquin, Ventura, San Diego, Imperial, Kern
CAlifornia Top 10 Agriculture Counties

In the 2016 Presidential election, Clinton carried 8 out of 10 of those counties with only Tulare & Kern going to Trump. California Election Results 2016: President Live Map by County, Real-Time Voting Updates - POLITICO
 
Old 01-28-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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A lot of people don't understand, the federal government has guns and they can legally shoot you, so keep pissing off the government
 
Old 01-28-2017, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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When will the Liberals give up on their anti-Trump futility?
 
Old 01-28-2017, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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Default Wow! California

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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
I guess you forgot the fact that the productive, agricultural componant of your state voted for Trump (as they are usually republican) and not Hillary.

If CA decided to with hold revenues from the feds (which is illegal), perhaps it might precipitate the breakup of CA into the productive ag componant of the state from the non productive, federally dependent, liberal parts of the state.

This would be "win-win". All of the ag, minerals, and the port of San Diego (naval base) going to the US and all of the welfare recipients and bums going to Mexifornia.

Take a look at the voting blocks for the counties of CA.
Dream on, buddy.. Dream on. Your vision of what is productive and what is nonproductive seems rather odd & out of touch with reality. You must believe in the new "alt facts" mindset. You're welcome to that, buddy.
Actually the ENTIRE state is productive & to such a degree that California recently passed Frances to become the world's 6th largest economy. See the link below for that info.
And check out the correction to your agricultural counties statement as seen from sleepy.


California surpasses France as world's sixth-largest economy | Reuters
 
Old 01-28-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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A lot of people don't understand, the federal government has guns and they can legally shoot you, so keep pissing off the government
The courts have ruled that you can use guns in return.
 
Old 01-28-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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Great to see.

California RULES!!!
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