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Old 02-11-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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so, it will be a child and the woman is opting out of that future child's life.
we arent a theocracy (unfortunately abortion happens) so if a woman can opt out a man should be able to also
if you're being serious how about you personally pay for the million plus abortions and for the child support you want trapped men to pay?
If a man has sex with a woman he should presume that she can get pregnant, I'm sorry if your parents didn't tell you that but I remember mine explaining it to my brother.
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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do you think men should practice birth control for themselves to make sure they don't have an unwanted pregnancy and resulting parenthood?
If the guy were to use a condom and the women were to use her own form of BC, the chances of pregnancy at that point, two lines of defense, would be even slimmer than they already are with one form of BC, used properly.

Every man should use a condom if he doesn't want a kid, regardless of what the woman is doing. Likewise, every woman should rely on her own BC method regardless of whether the man is using a condom. Absolutely no harm in both.

If men aren't using condoms then go around complaining that they're dads, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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If the guy were to use a condom and the women were to use her own form of BC, the chances of pregnancy at that point, two lines of defense, would be even slimmer than they already are with one form of BC, used properly.

Every man should use a condom if he doesn't want a kid, regardless of what the woman is doing. Likewise, every woman should rely on her own BC method regardless of whether the man is using a condom. Absolutely no harm in both.

If men aren't using condoms then go around complaining that they're dads, they have no one to blame but themselves.
agree 100% there are millions of men who never find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and resulting fatherhood. most that do find themselves in that situation never bother to use BC. then they moan about how unfair it was that the woman went ahead with their pregnancy and now he has to pay child support.
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Old 02-11-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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agree 100% there are millions of men who never find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and resulting fatherhood. most that do find themselves in that situation never bother to use BC. then they moan about how unfair it was that the woman went ahead with their pregnancy and now he has to pay child support.
There is this odd general attitude in society that BC should be the woman's responsibility. Interestingly, it's another way to blame women when things go wrong. Men are just as capable of being responsible as women. Condoms protect against both pregnancy and some STDs, which is why they're even more important to use than the most common methods of women's BC alone.

Since both a man and woman create the baby, and since women can have abortions but men don't have a choice in that matter, men should be even more inclined to take responsibility and ensure they are always using their own protection. Always. If the woman isn't using BC and he doesn't know, they're still protected. If she is using BC, then they're doubly protected. It's a win either way for the guy.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:09 PM
 
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There is this odd general attitude in society that BC should be the woman's responsibility. Interestingly, it's another way to blame women when things go wrong. Men are just as capable of being responsible as women. Condoms protect against both pregnancy and some STDs, which is why they're even more important to use than the most common methods of women's BC alone.

Since both a man and woman create the baby, and since women can have abortions but men don't have a choice in that matter, men should be even more inclined to take responsibility and ensure they are always using their own protection. Always. If the woman isn't using BC and he doesn't know, they're still protected. If she is using BC, then they're doubly protected. It's a win either way for the guy.
I have never understood the mind set of men who can't take care of their own sperm. as you pointed out they can't have an abortion, you would think they would be extra careful. I think most figure their "abortion" is walking away from child support and abandoning their children with out financial or emotional support.

a great deal of society does like to blame the women and more people should acknowledge that. they blame her for engaging in sex, blame her if she has an abortion. blame her when she's a single moms. blame a poor women without support for using social programs. meanwhile far too many men continue to have sex without thought of consequence.
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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I have never understood the mind set of men who can't take care of their own sperm. as you pointed out they can't have an abortion, you would think they would be extra careful. I think most figure their "abortion" is walking away from child support and abandoning their children with out financial or emotional support.

a great deal of society does like to blame the women and more people should acknowledge that. they blame her for engaging in sex, blame her if she has an abortion. blame her when she's a single moms. blame a poor women without support for using social programs. meanwhile far too many men continue to have sex without thought of consequence.
Yup, and blame her for being promiscuous/having a lot of partners without being tied down in a relationship (/getting pregnant in the first place) but praise men for doing the same. There's still a lot of sexism and misogyny. I'm sure people will try to deny it.
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Old 02-12-2017, 07:38 PM
 
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You need to get up to speed on things here.

Power is why men rape, not sex.

Many men believe that if they can get their wives pregnant, then she won't be able to leave him and his poor behavior.

Power to prevent her from aborting a pregnancy she doesn't want would appeal to a husband who rapes because it is the power to keep her from leaving.

The most dangerous time in a woman's life is when she is trying to leave an abusive husband.

Middle-aged woman was murdered in our town recently. She was shot by her estranged husband in front of her parents' home. This is not an uncommon occurrence.
SO MUCH APPLAUSE TO THIS.
Thank you. This is truth. Rape is not sex. Sex is used as a weapon of power.
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Old 02-13-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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I will only listen if you prove to me you are well educated in anything relevant to this thread and have some new groundbreaking proof that the rest of the world has not that contextually proves beyond a doubt your BELIEF.
Do you need my diploma, transcripts?
It really doesn't take a degree in biological sciences to understand embryonic and fetal development, nor do we need any new groundbreaking proof. Professionals in the medical field have determined the point of viability in human fetal development. The opinions concerning when life begins and the debate between viability and consciousness may never be resolved but the biology of gestational development and the biological differences between embryo, fetus and baby have long been established.
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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so, it will be a child and the woman is opting out of that future child's life.

we arent a theocracy (unfortunately abortion happens) so if a woman can opt out a man should be able to also

if you're being serious how about you personally pay for the million plus abortions and for the child support you want trapped men to pay?
She's opting out of a pregnancy. The rest is just your fantasy.
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Old 02-13-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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She's opting out of a pregnancy. The rest is just your fantasy.
A few posters just cant seem to grasp the difference between being pregnant and actually having a child despite the numerous attempts to explain.
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