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1) There is a contract a man and woman can agree to where they can have any arrangement of child support, no child support l, parental rights, no parental rights... before a child is born. I provided a link earlier.
2) A man and a woman have contraception they can both use independently of each other to keep a child from being conceived (and men can even be temporarily sterilized with a vasectomy).
If a man and a woman choose to have sex with each other, any result of that is their shared problem if they didn't bother to do item 1 or 2. They both had a chance to "opt out" of parenthood and they chose not to take it. They have one last option as a couple (abortion) and yeah, the woman gets last call on that (but hey, the man had his surgical option too with a vasectomy and didn't take it). But at least they have that last option.
If combined they take none of these options available to them, their child is their responsibility, not the rest of us and our tax money. One or both of them should not be able to drop a baby in society's lap and say, " I screwed up, can you pay for my kid."
the problem seems to be they think women are devoid of any potential responsibility...sexist much?
No one is saying women aren't just as responsible, the argument I am countering is that somehow men are so uneducated and so naive about how pregnancy happens and how to avoid it that they should bear no responsibility in a woman they have sex with getting pregnant. The argument is somehow the man should be free of financial obligation in the matter. I say that's bogus. Men know sex can cause pregnancy, men know about condoms and spermicides how to use them. I don't buy the, "the woman tricked me I'm a victim so the tax payers should bail me out and pay my share of the child's expenses," excuse.
It's simple. If a person wants to avoid an unwanted pregnancy don't have sex with someone you don't know and trust and don't have sex without taking care of your own birth control (man or woman). And if you screw up and conceive a child, take care of your own and don't expect the rest of us to bail you out with social programs. You made the choice that lead to the child, you deal with your choices and leave the rest of us out of it. If you can't take responsibility for the possibile outcome of sex, abstain.
Only if the woman can't support the child. And if she can't, she should have aborted. She has that choice.
It's extremely selfish to bear a child one cannot support, especially when the choice to abort is available.
do you advocate for forced abortion? what about the millions of women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy that do not believe in abortion or adoption?
the problem seems to be they think women are devoid of any potential responsibility...sexist much?
the problem for a great deal of men who don't want to be parents refuse to use birth control, then they get up in arms when they have an unwanted pregnancy. they need to mind their own sperm. millions of men seem to find a way never to have children to support if they don't want one.
Two wrongs don't make a right. I have no idea why it's the baby's fault that the rape occurred.
no it isn't the baby's fault, nor is it the victims, she has the right to not take the pregnancy to term if she doesn't want to. it's victimizing and punishing her for being a victim of rape.
no it isn't the baby's fault, nor is it the victims, she has the right to not take the pregnancy to term if she doesn't want to. it's victimizing and punishing her for being a victim of rape.
I agree that in the case of rape is absolutely no ones business but the woman and her conscience.
Not just men of course, but if men are that worried about getting a woman pregnant and having to pay support (which is what I was talking about) then yes, they have to be more careful.
So do women. Don't be so sexist.
If a woman can choose to abort an unwanted child, a man can likewise choose to opt out of any and all legal and financial responsibility for an unwanted child
the problem seems to be they think women are devoid of any potential responsibility...sexist much?
It's egregiously sexist. And quite frankly, I'm disappointed by the number of women in this thread who insist on using the 'women are incompetent' excuse in regards to fertility control.
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