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Old 02-09-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Rakin View Post
As you know it's not Conservatives who are rioting and doing damage. Liberals are acting like spoiled children and throwing fits.

You can't blame the hysterics on Repubs.
I am not talking about the protests, I am talking about the complete chaos and insanity coming from the White House and the partisan rage in Congress. The protests are a reaction of people seeing their country falling apart.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:34 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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LOL -- Yes, Trump has bizarre personality defects, which I noted.

If all you've seen is what you just listed, then apparently you've been over in liberal denial land and not noticed what Trump is actually getting done.
Nah, not in denial. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about what we see as accomplishments. When Obama took office, he began signing a lot of bills and the GOP said he wasn't doing anything productive. The most important thing is to wait to see how things turn out after a few years. If Trump didn't sign documents and hold them up for the TV viewing audience, maybe some of us would take him more seriously. OTOH, maybe we also have different ideas about what's good for our country, i.e., regulations like Dodd-Frank, which was a response to the financial crisis. As I frequently write, it's only been a few weeks. Trump is very mercurial, so predicting his success or failure at this point isn't easy for anyone.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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That would be a new type of candidate. Someone in the middle who can actually get most people behind him and get something done without all the nonsense associated w/ both extremes.
I agree with what you said ..... but you need to read it and really think about what you wrote.




Because ...................




The Forgotten Men/Women of Middle America actually found this "non-ideology" "New Type of Candidate" without the nonsense of the extremes. A man that was equally hated by the Political Elites in the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, Wall Street Bankers and the Corporate Media.


AND ............ they elected him President of the United States. You wrote it, do you "get it"?
Not yet, but you might actually get there.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: USA
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In reality, there are only 2 parties in America - the centrists / progressives, and the right-wing extremists.

It is laughable when those on the far-right accuse middle of the road progressives of "being bleeding heart liberals" just because:
- We believe in separation of Church and State
- We trust science over bronze-age, self-contradictory holy texts
- We don't hate people because they are different
- We don't blindly accept "alternate facts" to justify who we voted for in the last election
- We aren't stupid enough to think that the nation would be better off without any government (I challenge right-wingers to find a single example where that has worked), and we aren't nuts enough to think "corporations good, government bad" and ignorantly sign over the keys of the nation to big-wig corporate stooges.
- We don't think violence is the best solution for problems; in short, we don't cower behind our guns and dream of the day when we can finally commit a patriot murder fantasy and start killing "those people who deserve it."

The notion that progressives are "left-wing extremists" is just a ploy by the far right to stir up hatred since they have no facts to back up their positions; personal attacks are all they have left. If a good chunk of the nation actually WERE "left-wing extremists," you'd see calls to: outlaw religion, impose actual communism - not the right-wing version, where "having to pay my taxes is the same as communism," and so forth. And yet, we see none of that.

This divide between the sane progressives and the dangerously insane right-wing extremists has no easy solution because those on the far right do not believe in facts. How can they support Trump given all the idiotic crap he's pulled so far in office? How can they condemn Hillary for "being a crook" when Trump is a bigger crook? How can they condemn Muslims for "using religion to terrorize" when they try to use their own religion in the same way? Until right-wing hypocrisy is addressed and they are willing to adjust their views based on actual facts and data vs. clinging to failed ideology so they can say "their team is winning," nothing will change.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:48 PM
 
Location: USA
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Productive? You mean all those photo ops? Or do you mean the failed mission in which a Navy SEAL died or the chaotic travel ban that wasn't a ban although he said it was.

All I see is a lunatic tweeting about his daughter's clothing line, SNL, TV ratings, how dishonest the media is, crowd sizes, and going on interviews to praise Putin.
Remember, screaming "Benhgazi" over and over again about the "far left" is required because of "the big conspiracy" that supposed happened there, but getting a bunch of soldiers killed for no reason in Yemen is perfectly acceptable since a Republican did it.

Trump is insane; his crooked followers actually think it is wrong to challenge him, point out his mistakes, or put the facts - not "alternate facts" - in front of him and the American people. That attitude alone makes it clearly what the far right really wants - the "right" to tell everyone else exactly what to do without any ability to resist.

The irony is that right-wing extremists accuse the left of such behavior, as if having to treat gays or blacks like real people is somehow "totally unfair" and "the government overstepping its bounds." As usual, people tend to accuse others of their own flaws, and watching the far right scream about how "others" have supported tyranny or how "glad they are that Trump is hurting people they don't like," makes it rather clear what really motivated right-wing extremists. Hate.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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The Forgotten Men/Women of Middle America actually found this "non-ideology" "New Type of Candidate" without the nonsense of the extremes. A man that was equally hated by the Political Elites in the Republican Party, the Democrat Party, Wall Street Bankers and the Corporate Media.
Then he picked a Goldman-Sachs partner and hedge fund manager as Secretary of the Treasury and who knows, one day it may dawn on the Forgotten Men/Women of Middle America just how much they've been had on the entire "hated by Wall Street" thing.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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From what I can read on this board, people pretty much have the polar opposite views. There's no middle ground. The Congress is a battleground, there is no respect anymore on the Senate floor for fellow Senators. The office of Presidency doesn't mean anything anymore.

So what will 2020 bring? An Elizabeth Warren candidacy who will only make matters worse? Or will the DNC shift towards the center forcing the GOP to do the same and perhaps abandon Trump in 2020?

I have a feeling it will take at least a decade before we have some sort of a functioning bipartisan government again.

This is a great read:
http://apps.frontline.org/divided-st...ne-interviews/
it has been this way and now it is over the top hate and resist. They are going after Trumps daughter now. They are looking at any way they can to hurt Trump or his family. This the the party that tells us to be tolerant.. they are killing their party off now.
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Old 02-09-2017, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I am not talking about the protests, I am talking about the complete chaos and insanity coming from the White House and the partisan rage in Congress. The protests are a reaction of people seeing their country falling apart.
oh the chaos.. get real.. Trump is dong a fine job. Turn the channel and look at his policies. Good ones finally for the people.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:02 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Exclamation Extreme democrats

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This is how the Republicans wanted it during the Obama administration. So they should be fine being the recipients of such treatment.
You're clueless. Remember in 2009 when Rush Limbaugh simply said he wished Obama's policies would fail because they were damaging to America?
That's it. Just a public decree and the media wanted the secret service to investigate.

Now after Trump won, the democrats are literally rioting in the street. The best hope is that more democrats lose office and the people violently rioting and supporting BLM's violence stop getting heavy democratic support and the party returns to reality.

As many have said, nobody dislikes democrats but we just don't want to see them in elected offices.
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Old 02-09-2017, 05:04 PM
 
Location: USA
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oh the chaos.. get real.. Trump is dong a fine job. Turn the channel and look at his policies. Good ones finally for the people.
Ah, double-think. It must hard to keep doing that day after day.

Name a single policy that Trump has put into place that has had any real positive impact on Americans? You can't, because there isn't one.

Banning random Muslims? Nope. Sure, it makes the bigots feel better that "they ain't got to put up with no crazy religion nuts" while going off to vote in favor of denying gays rights based on "the Bible," but it accomplishes nothing.

Making housing more expensive?

Threatening to make health care more expensive?

Picking fights with every nation out there like some drunken toddler?

Planning on building a huge, insanely expensive, and utterly useless wall on the backs of American tax payers?

Gutting various organizations that protect workers rights, the environment, etc.

Instituting a federal hiring freeze, thus costing jobs?

Look, the facts are clear. Trump hasn't been in office a month and he's a total failure. The only thing he's delivered on that he promised is various bigoted ideas about keeping "those people" out of America, which is nothing but useless red meat to his base who wouldn't know fact from "alternate fact" if you spelled it out to them.
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