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Old 02-22-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: So California
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No, Anti-Israeli govt policy is not the same thing as anti-semitism.

To be anti-semitic implies discrimination against someone because they are Jewish, no? There is no evidence of that being a widespread issue at Cal at all.


I understand that, but yes there is, you only need dig a little and you'll find it.
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Old 02-22-2017, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Why would they do that?

Have you even been to Berkeley?
Leftist students regularly agitate for divestment from Israel.

Do your homework.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Leftist students regularly agitate for divestment from Israel.

Do your homework.
That has nothing to do with a hatred of Judaism.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Yep that definition fits exactly what the protestors, rioters and the left in general is promoting.
To use the language of the definition I provided: The definition works best with conservatives who are obstinately and intolerantly devoted to hateful opinions of the Left.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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Leftist students regularly agitate for divestment from Israel.

Do your homework.
Do you have evidence that the institution of UC Berkeley is agitating for divestment from Israel? You're the one making the claim - back it up.

I can show you plenty of examples of the University having strong relationships with Israel and the Jewish world.



As well, discussing the sensitive Israel/Palenstine debate (which is immensely complicated) does not = anti-semitism.

Nor do anti-Israel ideas necesarilly in an inherent way = anti-semitism.

It's more complicated than that.

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Old 02-22-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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Leftist students regularly agitate for divestment from Israel.

Do your homework.
BDS is about divestments of products produced in the illegal settlements of West Bank, not Israel in totality.

Israeli's also support BDS measures, and in fact a plurality of them are against settlement building. The current Israeli administration is however, pro-settlement in nature.

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/boyc...-bds-movement/

"Jewish Voice for Peace endorses the call from Palestinian civil society for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) as part of our work for freedom, justice and equality for all people. We believe that the time-honored, non-violent tools proposed by the BDS call provide powerful opportunities to make that vision real."
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Old 02-22-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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BDS is about divestments of products produced in the illegal settlements of West Bank, not Israel in totality.
Wrong. According to their website, BDS is completely against Israel in totality.

BOYCOTTS involve withdrawing support for Israel and Israeli and international companies that are involved in the violation of Palestinian human rights, as well as complicit Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions.

DIVESTMENT campaigns urge banks, local councils, churches, pension funds and universities to withdraw investments from all Israeli companies and from international companies involved in violating Palestinian rights.

SANCTIONS campaigns pressure governments to fulfil their legal obligation to hold Israel to account including by ending military trade, free-trade agreements and expelling Israel from international forums such as the UN and FIFA.


Source: https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds
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Old 02-22-2017, 08:10 PM
 
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Wrong. According to their website, BDS is completely against Israel in totality.

BOYCOTTS involve withdrawing support for Israel and Israeli and international companies that are involved in the violation of Palestinian human rights, as well as complicit Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions.

DIVESTMENT campaigns urge banks, local councils, churches, pension funds and universities to withdraw investments from all Israeli companies and from international companies involved in violating Palestinian rights.

SANCTIONS campaigns pressure governments to fulfil their legal obligation to hold Israel to account including by ending military trade, free-trade agreements and expelling Israel from international forums such as the UN and FIFA.


Source: https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds
*Involved in Violating Palestinian Rights*...that means settlements. This is also why they pressure European Governments to enforce the labeling of products sourced from Israeli settlements, but not Israel as a whole.

Also notice how the entire campaign is focused on....stopping the violation of Palestinian rights...with significant Israeli supporters. Why Israeli supporters? A good portion of them are against settlements and view them as violating Palestinian rights.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:21 PM
 
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*Involved in Violating Palestinian Rights*...that means settlements. This is also why they pressure European Governments to enforce the labeling of products sourced from Israeli settlements, but not Israel as a whole.
Wrong again. Go back and read it. Here:

"BOYCOTTS involve withdrawing support for Israel and Israeli and international companies that are involved in the violation of Palestinian human rights, as well as complicit Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions. "

Note the AND after Israel. It's Israel (the state) AND Israeli and international companies that are involved in the violation of Palestinian human rights. Same thing with Divestment and Sanctions. Can you really not see this?

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Also notice how the entire campaign is focused on....stopping the violation of Palestinian rights...with significant Israeli supporters. Why Israeli supporters? A good portion of them are against settlements and view them as violating Palestinian rights.
That's BS and a smokescreen. BDS supports right of return of Palestinians to Israel. That's a non-starter right there. BDS is anti-Israel and anti-Jewish. It's got practically no following in Israel. In fact, Israel is passing a law to block pro-BDS Foreigners from entering the country.

Read what the ADL has to say about BDS.

"BDS: The Global Campaign to Delegitimize Israel

The BDS campaign is a global effort to isolate and punish Israel because of its policies toward the Palestinians. While supporters of the BDS movement claim to embrace the tactic as a nonviolent way to pressure Israel into negotiations, the campaign is clearly a biased effort to demonize Israel and place the entire onus of the conflict on one side: the Israelis. BDS activists regularly lobby multinational companies, churches, universities, actors, academics and private individuals to cut ties with Israel or refuse to engage in collaboration with Israelis."
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:06 PM
 
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Wrong again. Go back and read it. Here:

"BOYCOTTS involve withdrawing support for Israel and Israeli and international companies that are involved in the violation of Palestinian human rights, as well as complicit Israeli sporting, cultural and academic institutions. "

Note the AND after Israel. It's Israel (the state) AND Israeli and international companies that are involved in the violation of Palestinian human rights. Same thing with Divestment and Sanctions. Can you really not see this?

That's BS and a smokescreen. BDS supports right of return of Palestinians to Israel. That's a non-starter right there. BDS is anti-Israel and anti-Jewish. It's got practically no following in Israel. In fact, Israel is passing a law to block pro-BDS Foreigners from entering the country.

Read what the ADL has to say about BDS.

"BDS: The Global Campaign to Delegitimize Israel

The BDS campaign is a global effort to isolate and punish Israel because of its policies toward the Palestinians. While supporters of the BDS movement claim to embrace the tactic as a nonviolent way to pressure Israel into negotiations, the campaign is clearly a biased effort to demonize Israel and place the entire onus of the conflict on one side: the Israelis. BDS activists regularly lobby multinational companies, churches, universities, actors, academics and private individuals to cut ties with Israel or refuse to engage in collaboration with Israelis."
*That are involved in the violation of Palestinian Rights*...if they operate in settlements or support settlements, they are under the purview of BDS.

The ADL does some great things. They also do things that are counter productive. They have their opinion, and we have ours.
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