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Pick your poison, conservatives. You can't have it both ways.
If conservatives say "there is no information/evidence" about Trump working with Russia, then liberals can say "there is no information/evidence" of Trump's strong accusations that president Obama tapping his phones.
Both situations are still under investigation....
If Trump says a stupid thing about Obama wiretapping him vs the liberals wanted to impeach him for treason, I'll take the news that the liberals were wrong (as usual).
As far as the wiretapping is concerned: there's still a concern how Gen Flynn's conversation was recorded and leaked. Yes, that was during the same news conference.
So here's the summary:
No evidence Obama wiretapped Trump tower
No evidence Trump worked with the Russians
A crime was committed leaking Gen Flynn's conversation to the media
You're focusing on a tweet. The other two items are much more important.
It's a frequent theme here, to ask when Trump will admit to making false accusations. He's not going to do that and it's a waste of time in trying to force him into it. He's a narcissist of the worst sort and they never change. They don't even seem aware of what they are.
My mother was a narcissist and she was incapable of ever admitting she was wrong about anything. She expressed extreme opinions about most everything, with never anything to back her claims. She'd never acknowledge a mistake or admit to any of her frequent lies and was this way to the end. Why would anyone expect any different from Trump?
I was thinking about suggesting that all would-be presidential candidates should have to pass psychological exams and be observed and approved by a non-partisan panel of experts, before being certified to run for the office. But that wouldn't work-------who would there be among the candidates we've seen for the past four decades, who could pass that? There have been times, such as 1933-1963, when we've had stable and dependable people in the office and a couple since then, but that seems to be only an historical phase, nowadays.
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If Trump says a stupid thing about Obama wiretapping him vs the liberals wanted to impeach him for treason, I'll take the news that the liberals were wrong (as usual).
As far as the wiretapping is concerned: there's still a concern how Gen Flynn's conversation was recorded and leaked. Yes, that was during the same news conference.
So here's the summary:
No evidence Obama wiretapped Trump tower
No evidence Trump worked with the Russians
A crime was committed leaking Gen Flynn's conversation to the media
You're focusing on a tweet. The other two items are much more important.
One (no wiretapping proof) and Two (no Trump team colluding with Russians proof) are confirmed by FBI to house committee. We need a update on third one (Leaking Flynn's comments).
You don't make accusations of this nature without some kind of proof.
Correction! SANE people don't make accusations--of any nature--without proof.
As to the current POTUS, I understand that a gold-embellished strait jacket is being tailored for him, even as we speak.
I was thinking about suggesting that all would-be presidential candidates should have to pass psychological exams and be observed and approved by a non-partisan panel of experts, before being certified to run for the office. But that wouldn't work-------who would there be among the candidates we've seen for the past four decades, who could pass that? There have been times, such as 1933-1963, when we've had stable and dependable people in the office and a couple since then, but that seems to be only an historical phase, nowadays.
No president has ever had the psychological issues Trump does, other than maybe, Nixon. But Nixon was smarter and more mature. It is pretty obvious Trump is off-the-wall loony.
Obama is totally sane and would have passed with flying colors. I've heard him called a narcissist many times--mostly by Republicans, but Obama most certainly did apologize, did take responsibility and did admit mistakes.
Sure seems as if some folks, especially Trump supporters, are easily impressed...
If this is how a POTUS should draw attention to what is supposedly so important and/or pretty well obvious to most Americans, then what's next, using cartoons?
Don't knock it. Cartoons can be very effective. You know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words.
I have a collection of cartoons about liberals/Democrats/specific individuals. Would you like to see their effectiveness? No? I didn't think so. They don't come from "credible sources".
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Maybe better light, but "good light?"
Apparently Trump reported some $152 million in income ($67 million in rental income) after a write down of some $103.2 million in depreciation, ultimately paying $38 million or 25 percent of that after write down income...
Now I'm all for a person making lots of money, all the better if they become rich by doing so. Though most Americans probably don't even understand what this tax return and net tax rate paid even means, Trump surely does. What most Americans do seem to understand is that there is something wrong about the growing gap between the most wealthy and the poor, and how much wealth the most wealthy hold as compared to all the poor.
Lots of Trump supporters voted for Trump, because they believed Trump would act on their behalf, perhaps to give them at least a better shot to gain some ground toward a better living, a better income, a little less going to the most wealthy and a little more for the lower and middle-income American.
Trump, in one year, 2005, apparently paid $38 million on $152 million income, leaving him with $114 million just that year, all for himself, while average Americans make how much on average? And have how much left over after taxes for vacation? For savings? For retirement?
How much does the average American reduce taxes with depreciation?
So there is the recipe plain as day for how the rich get richer, to the tune of $114 million more in one year while most Americans net worth doesn't grow AT ALL from one year to the next.
What has or will Trump do about adjusting that tilt toward the rich as only appropriate? Or maybe that's not enough for people who make that sort of money? At least Obama and Sanders made a political pitch toward correcting those scales, but obviously it takes more than speeches. It takes Congress.
Given how well Trump understands after who knows how many years of depreciating assets, making that sort of income, paying such a low proportion to taxes until ultimately a billionaire no less, what might Trump do for average Americans given that knowledge? Maybe to help more Americans with fundamentals like health care, better education, and all else it takes to get started in life with at least a fair shot at gaining some ground, distance from poverty.
From what I'm hearing about Trump and the GOP's plan to improve the ACA, seems we're going backwards again. Another significant bad thing I suppose we're not supposed to do any critical thinking about...
In answer to your musing about "What has or will Trump do about adjusting that tilt toward the rich as only appropriate?" I can only ask WHAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO MAKE SUCH AN ADJUSTMENT?
Trump paid his tax, according to all that the law prescribes and allows. WHAT is your beef?
Should someone who makes $200K and pays the tax due be criticized by those who make $50K because of the perceived disparity?
You would probably be a good running mate for Sanders, or some other socialist type candidate.
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If Trump says a stupid thing about Obama wiretapping him vs the liberals wanted to impeach him for treason, I'll take the news that the liberals were wrong (as usual).
As far as the wiretapping is concerned: there's still a concern how Gen Flynn's conversation was recorded and leaked. Yes, that was during the same news conference.
So here's the summary:
No evidence Obama wiretapped Trump tower
No evidence Trump worked with the Russians
A crime was committed leaking Gen Flynn's conversation to the media
You're focusing on a tweet. The other two items are much more important.
There's a fourth item: A crime was committed leaking part of an old Trump tax return. Why was that particular return selected by the leaker? Perhaps it was to illustrate your point about the disparity between the rich and the poor?
You would probably be a good running mate for Sanders, or some other socialist type candidate.
No president has ever had the psychological issues Trump does, other than maybe, Nixon. But Nixon was smarter and more mature. It is pretty obvious Trump is off-the-wall loony.
Obama is totally sane and would have passed with flying colors. I've heard him called a narcissist many times--mostly by Republicans, but Obama most certainly did apologize, did take responsibility and did admit mistakes.
Obama is "better" at admitting mistakes than Trump - but that is a low bar.
If you are honest, you will admit that Obama too often pushed off the blame by lying, pretending that he just found out about it from the media, pointing the finger in the wrong direction, etc...
"House Intelligence Committee Chairman, Republican Representative Devin Nunes said Wednesday that neither he nor the ranking Democrat on the committee have seen any evidence that then-President Barack Obama wiretapped Donald Trump last year, and want the Justice Department to respond to their requests for information by March 20."
ZERO evidence thus far presented by Trump and his administration (the original deadline to present evidence was Monday March 13th). Trump and his staff now have until March 20th.
Well that should put an end to a thread to that is over 300 pages, there is nothing to Trumps claim.
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