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Old 03-24-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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With close to 40 million residents, California won't ever miss the 87,000 who left.

California is the nation's most populated state. It's the 3rd largest state land mass in the nation, and generates a 3rd of our national economy. It's economy is larger than France's or most other countries in the world. It is the 6th largest economy in the world.
Yup.

I think CA bashers forget, that CA's economy alone will crush many little "cheaper" red states.

CA has a diversified powerful economy. Yeah COL is high, taxes are higher, it doesn't have the nicest roads, etc.. but hell, it has Hollywood (media/arts), Silicon Valley/SF(high tech/innovation), agriculture/farming, two top tier strongly state-supported public university systems (UC/CSU), and various many other industries that contributes towards the GDP of CA. Add to it that, CA has a very strong diversity of people from all various demographics and backgrounds and walks of life that adds to it's already strong economy.

You dare compare a puny little red state to the size of CA? You have to be joking. Get real.
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Yup.

I think CA bashers forget, that CA's economy alone will crush many little "cheaper" red states.

CA has a diversified powerful economy. Yeah COL is high, taxes are higher, it doesn't have the nicest roads, etc.. but hell, it has Hollywood (media/arts), Silicon Valley/SF(high tech/innovation), agriculture/farming, two top tier strongly state-supported public university systems (UC/CSU), and various many other industries that contributes towards the GDP of CA. Add to it that, CA has a very strong diversity of people from all various demographics and backgrounds and walks of life that adds to it's already strong economy.

You dare compare a puny little red state to the size of CA? You have to be joking. Get real.
California counts for alot. Many people don't want to admit that.
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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Los Angeles Metro is just one part of California. What about the Bay Area. Alot of people want to be there.
Bay Area Population Growth Leads California | Bay Area Real Estate Market Blog | Pacific Union
California report: Bay Area population gains are strongest in state – The Mercury News
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:15 PM
 
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Liberal Portland seems to attract many young tech people.
'Portlandia' no longer? Oregon's young migrants come with high-tech skills | OregonLive.com
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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High demand? The population is falling. You are making no sense.
Perhaps because larger multi generational households are being replaced by real estate speculators and more affluent buyers with fewer children
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:38 PM
 
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Perhaps because larger multi generational households are being replaced by real estate speculators and more affluent buyers with fewer children
Add to that old people dying.
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Caribou, Me.
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I live in NYC. NYC has huge surgence of out of town native whites. White America in suburbia was decimated and still is decimated due to economic reasons. Now here in NYC, we see a full stream of educated whites who are happy ot leave their abodes. What keep NYC birth rate up is high rate of out of wedlock births, and an extremely aging population.
Yes a good deal of young leftists are (still) heading out for NYC.
Thank God!!
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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You're just artificially talking out about it's politics and your view without knowing anything about it's regulations. The free market does not solve every problem as many like to believe. Compare it to Arizona. There's really nothing here. It's a piece of hot dirt in the middle of nowhere with cheap houses. Who cares. All the fun and interesting stuff happens in CA so naturally people are attracted to it.

The problem is: too many people want to move to CA and not many housing is being built to accommodate the demand. CA builds housing alright, but for every housing unit, 10+ people want to come for that. What do you think will happen to housing prices if you somehow could magically wave the wand and lower demand? Prices would go tumbling down like crazy. Regulation isn't the issue, it's the demand that's the issue.

I could claim the same issue with AZ. Why are we over-regulating such that why can't a house cost me $50K instead of 250k? I want it as cheap as possible.
Well, the entire State of Arizona is not a barren desert, and the Phoenix area at one time was an agricultural community. Those are now way outside of the Phoenix area.

With California's smaller desert cities like Barstow, and Victorville, home prices are much lower than they are in Palm Springs, mainly because of the location and the name, and that's true anywhere you go, not just in California, and I know that for a 2000-square-foot house in Victorville, you'll have to pay a lot more for a comparable house or a condo as you get closer to the more populated coastal areas. I drove through Malibu Beach on the PCH numerous times, the last time was in April of 2014 and there were a couple of what looked like wooden shacks right next to the PCH and I can guarantee, those were a lot more than a 2000-square-foot house in Victorville or Palm Springs.

The point is, when many Californians move out of the state to central Arizona, even from the less expensive inland desert areas, there are other reasons for doing that, besides the lower real estate prices. Sometimes companies move out of California because it costs them a lot more to operate than it would in Arizona or Nevada. Overall, I'll visit California but I wouldn't want to live there.
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Old 03-24-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Yes a good deal of young leftists are (still) heading out for NYC.
Thank God!!
Yeah. NYC is full of out of town white people. I think the out of town white population is far higher than the local native white population. Their are no jobs for educated people in middle white America or lack thereof
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Old 03-24-2017, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yup.

I think CA bashers forget, that CA's economy alone will crush many little "cheaper" red states.

CA has a diversified powerful economy. Yeah COL is high, taxes are higher, it doesn't have the nicest roads, etc.. but hell, it has Hollywood (media/arts), Silicon Valley/SF(high tech/innovation), agriculture/farming, two top tier strongly state-supported public university systems (UC/CSU), and various many other industries that contributes towards the GDP of CA. Add to it that, CA has a very strong diversity of people from all various demographics and backgrounds and walks of life that adds to it's already strong economy.

You dare compare a puny little red state to the size of CA? You have to be joking. Get real.
Of course it has a bigger economy, the state has around 40 million people. On a per-capita basis it really isn't impressive and it looks even more unimpressive when it adjusted to after-tax income and on a purchasing power parity basis.

Those "puny" red states have massive middle-class, far more equal income structure, less overwhelmed and a sense of community.

There is no were all in this together in California, like in certain states like Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota etc.

California is a massive competition of hustlers who try to put on a chill facade but are just working to buy little houses, hustling to pay for their health insurance costs that are through the roof, hustling to pay for expensive gasoline.

It's so funny that there are these "professionals" with six-figure incomes hustling and bustling just to buy small, old houses in run-down towns like Stanton, Santa Ana and Anaheim. Those same houses can be bought in much of America by two people working in retail or two people working in call-centers.

At least the average household in the "puny" red state doesn't sit in traffic, the roads aren't falling apart, there isn't garbage and trash everywhere even in upscale neighborhoods and the schools also don't look like old motels like many of them do in California.

The people in "puny" red-states can access the same databases and apps that the people in Los Angeles can.

California has extremely high taxes that pretty much impact anyone except the super-rich elite class. The middle-class state tax rate after $52,000 is 10.2%.

Then the property taxes are incredibly high at about 1.1% of the purchase price and the purchase prices are extremely high with small, old homes in Orange County going for a million dollars.

Then the sales tax rate will be going to 9.5% in Los Angeles this year.

Hollywood influences the Hollywood Elite. What Hollywood Millionaires and Billionaires make doesn't impact the general population as far as their paycheck.

Silicon Valley is nice, but anyone anywhere in the world access the Silicon Valley apps and that doesn't really impact the general population of the state except for the tech-elite.

In general, the state caters to a couple hundred-thousands elites and then there is the 10+ million plus people on one welfare program or another.
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