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You are probably right -- the healthcare problems existed before Obamacare was shoved down the throat of the American taxpayers, voters and GOP (with no vote, discussion or alternative considerations).
I don't know that the GOP has a better solution, but unless there is a plan to actually PAY for the system, simply legislating Obamacare - only made the problem worse. Therein lies the problem with many of the democrat-sponsored, feel-good, give-away programs. They sound good and garner votes (which is really the goal of the Dems, as evidenced by their failure to make the programs fiscally viable) - but, amount to little more than socialized welfare, healthcare, etc..
While mis-characterized by the Dems as "uncaring and unconcerned" - the GOP is also concerned with programs that will actually work and will not drive America further into the $20 Trillion debt stratosphere. The GOP has made many healthcare proposals, all of which have been soundly rejected by the Dems and Obama. I don't know if the current GOP-proposed healthcare plan would solve the problem any more than Obamacare .... BUT, I do know that the DEMs are stupid for not handing-off some of the responsibility for their failing AHC program - to the GOP. This would have at least given the GOP some semblance of responsibility, but the Dem's were/are so busy trying to undermine the Presidency, they missed their opportunity. As it stands, Obamacare remains the sole responsibility of the Dem's who sponsored and passed it and have repeatedly rejected any/all attempts to participate or bail-out the program by the GOP!
Like many Americans, I'm honestly sick of the shenanigans of both the Dem and Rep politicians. It's past time to "drain the swamp" on both sides of the aisle and pass term-limits so America is able to wrestle some control back from special interest groups and career politicians.
I think you are correct, I'd bet there's more in this camp <bold> that exist in the partisan camps on both sides.
If the vote fails, Trump will move on to other priorities and ObamaCare will stay as the law of the land, Mulvaney said.
Well, that was fast.
I work in healthcare.
Why is it that just about everyone else I know that works in it continually berates Obama care citing multiple problems daily as to why it hurts the patients?
Something for people to think about. I see the effects on a daily basis.
That our healthcare problems existed before Obama addressed them? Of course I'm right. Right?
For everyone who could not accept Obama's direction in the first place, the ACA was "shoved down their throat," but for everyone else who was sick and tired of the GOP forever protecting the status quo of do nothing and standing in the way of trying a new approach, there was little choice but to shove the ACA through Congress, but the ACA was legislation that did in fact pass as law. Call that "shoving" all you like, but that's sometimes how laws become laws.
Claiming the problem only got worse does not make that a fact. Many Americans view the ACA as better than what we had before the law was passed, just not as good as it can be, yet! As I have commented many times before, simply consider how many revisions to the Soc Sec Act have been necessary since that law was also passed, back in 1935! Same thing needs to begin happening now, moving forward, not backward!
Or, perhaps to look at it another way, now that Congress could not provide Trump the numbers that it did for Obama and the ACA, do you think Trump wouldn't have rammed the GOP "plan" down the throats of the Freedom Caucus if he could? Of course he would, because winning means everything to Trump, also not losing, so he walked away altogether. Now he is attacking the Freedom Caucus like he does all that stands in his way.
Call it what you will, but the ACA became law, and now it stands despite many long years of GOP obstructionism that prevents us from moving forward, doing better, now with Trump leading that charge ever more backwards in more than just a few ways.
As for the over-repeated notion of "draining the swamp," I'm not sure what people expect a swamp to be full of, but normally a swamp is full of swamp animals that are expected to do swamp animal things, or get eaten. Politics is made up of people. People who succeed in politics generally come from some sort of successful career in law, in business or in politics in general. Forever there will be the influences of corruption and those in politics who will fight those influences. What in the name of our green Earth can we otherwise expect? We drain the swamp and create a nice clear pool of sparkling clean water? Filled with what? Angels?
A wall that Mexico will pay for! Drain the swamp! Make America great again! The drum beat of nonsense beats on...
One thing to note, those "many Americans (which I dispute, it's not as "many" as some claim) who view the ACA as better than what we had before the law passed" view it as better because they are not paying for it or are getting it for next to nothing. Those Americans who make over $49k +/- per year in many areas of the nation are NOT happy at all due to policy costs,deductibles and lack of choices.
You are probably right -- the healthcare problems existed before Obamacare was shoved down the throat of the American taxpayers, voters and GOP (with no vote, discussion or alternative considerations).
I don't know that the GOP has a better solution, but unless there is a plan to actually PAY for the system, simply legislating Obamacare - only made the problem worse. Therein lies the problem with many of the democrat-sponsored, feel-good, give-away programs. They sound good and garner votes (which is really the goal of the Dems, as evidenced by their failure to make the programs fiscally viable) - but, amount to little more than socialized welfare, healthcare, etc..
While mis-characterized by the Dems as "uncaring and unconcerned" - the GOP is also concerned with programs that will actually work and will not drive America further into the $20 Trillion debt stratosphere. The GOP has made many healthcare proposals, all of which have been soundly rejected by the Dems and Obama. I don't know if the current GOP-proposed healthcare plan would solve the problem any more than Obamacare .... BUT, I do know that the DEMs are stupid for not handing-off some of the responsibility for their failing AHC program - to the GOP. This would have at least given the GOP some semblance of responsibility, but the Dem's were/are so busy trying to undermine the Presidency, they missed their opportunity. As it stands, Obamacare remains the sole responsibility of the Dem's who sponsored and passed it and have repeatedly rejected any/all attempts to participate or bail-out the program by the GOP!
Like many Americans, I'm honestly sick of the shenanigans of both the Dem and Rep politicians. It's past time to "drain the swamp" on both sides of the aisle and pass term-limits so America is able to wrestle some control back from special interest groups and career politicians.
Love this post! Feeling the exact same.
We are beyond draining this "swamp". If Americans united on this concept which obviously has not helped them, than maybe these politicians will start serving them instead of special interest groups.
Why is it that just about everyone else I know that works in it continually berates Obama care citing multiple problems daily as to why it hurts the patients?
Something for people to think about. I see the effects on a daily basis.
I worked in health care until I retired 1 1/2 years ago, August 2015. The ACA (I refuse to call it "Obamacare") was kicking in during the last few years of my career. Some of the pediatric provisions were the first to go into effect and I worked in a pediatrician's office. It was very beneficial for vaccines and well child visits to be totally free at the point of service, regardless of the type of policy the parent had. It's easier to get the vaccines if you don't have to send the pt. off to the health dept because they can't afford them. Other than that, I really saw no difference. What did you see?
You are probably right -- the healthcare problems existed before Obamacare was shoved down the throat of the American taxpayers, voters and GOP (with no vote, discussion or alternative considerations).
I don't know that the GOP has a better solution, but unless there is a plan to actually PAY for the system, simply legislating Obamacare - only made the problem worse. Therein lies the problem with many of the democrat-sponsored, feel-good, give-away programs. They sound good and garner votes (which is really the goal of the Dems, as evidenced by their failure to make the programs fiscally viable) - but, amount to little more than socialized welfare, healthcare, etc..
While mis-characterized by the Dems as "uncaring and unconcerned" - the GOP is also concerned with programs that will actually work and will not drive America further into the $20 Trillion debt stratosphere. The GOP has made many healthcare proposals, all of which have been soundly rejected by the Dems and Obama. I don't know if the current GOP-proposed healthcare plan would solve the problem any more than Obamacare .... BUT, I do know that the DEMs are stupid for not handing-off some of the responsibility for their failing AHC program - to the GOP. This would have at least given the GOP some semblance of responsibility, but the Dem's were/are so busy trying to undermine the Presidency, they missed their opportunity. As it stands, Obamacare remains the sole responsibility of the Dem's who sponsored and passed it and have repeatedly rejected any/all attempts to participate or bail-out the program by the GOP!
Like many Americans, I'm honestly sick of the shenanigans of both the Dem and Rep politicians. It's past time to "drain the swamp" on both sides of the aisle and pass term-limits so America is able to wrestle some control back from special interest groups and career politicians.
What does "pay for the system mean"? Most people can't afford to pay for healthcare so they either rely on employer provided healthcare, medicare, medi-caid or ACA subsidies. We can't control what providers charge so the only tool left in the box is to start picking who "deserves" to receive healthcare and Republicans, as usual, want to base that decision on the personal wealth of an individual. The Republican philosophy is that you can get healthcare if you can afford it and if you can't, then die quickly and don't leave a mess for us to clean up.
And name one GOP healthcare proposal that Dem's and Obama rejected. Name just one please because I just checked and their solution for 7 years was to vote 50 + times to repeal the ACA, did you expect anyone to take that as a serious proposal to 'fix' the problems? Obama and the Democrats suggested a number of changes to the ACA and Republican's refused to even consider them.
Why is it that just about everyone else I know that works in it continually berates Obama care citing multiple problems daily as to why it hurts the patients?
Something for people to think about. I see the effects on a daily basis.
My doctor says she thinks the ACA was an improvement -- all considered -- over what we had before, but without specifics as to what these benefits and/or problems may be, this is all mostly just one person's view vs another. There are also the problems that existed before the ACA that now people want to blame on the ACA.
One thing providers like about the ACA is the free preventative services, like mammograms and colonoscopies that before you had to pay for. When people complain about higher premiums and such, they never also include what is now medical attention, preventative, that comes free of charge, the savings part. Ultimately the more preventative effort, the less longer term costs in general, but this is not an expense or savings that most people can easily recognize or appreciate in the short term.
One thing to note, those "many Americans (which I dispute, it's not as "many" as some claim) who view the ACA as better than what we had before the law passed" view it as better because they are not paying for it or are getting it for next to nothing. Those Americans who make over $49k +/- per year in many areas of the nation are NOT happy at all due to policy costs,deductibles and lack of choices.
No kidding...
Just count the millions of people with pre-existing conditions who could not get medical insurance before, and you have plenty enough "many" Americans, and that's before you even go on to count the rest who think better of the ACA even though it is not the panacea for America's health care issues.
At a minimum, the ACA was in part to bend the cost curve toward less expense over time and to provide a manner in which to manage/control those costs going forward, with more millions of Americans paying in (and/or not free riding, free loading). Younger healthier people SHOULD pay when young, as I did, not just when they get older and less healthy. Duh...
Of course if you exclude medical attention and expense for people with pre-existing conditions or too poor to pay, duh again, that's less expensive, but also somewhat barbaric as far as most people are concerned. You provide more people better quality care, everyone, and costs will go up. Anyone who expected costs that were already on the rise before the ACA to suddenly reverse immediately upon the passage of the ACA or the first years in was just not thinking.
Then too, with so many conservative vested interests intent on reversing the ACA, not letting it work as it should in too many states, wanting to repeal it rather than improve upon it, it is a wonder we have access to any form of health care these days at all. Still, I am hopeful we will finally get our act together as the rest of the modern world managed long ago, and improve upon the ACA until our cost/benefit is better balanced, for all concerned, not just the more wealthy or those with more solid government/corporate jobs (like I too enjoyed back when I was a younger man).
What does "pay for the system mean"? Most people can't afford to pay for healthcare so they either rely on employer provided healthcare, medicare, medi-caid or ACA subsidies. We can't control what providers charge so the only tool left in the box is to start picking who "deserves" to receive healthcare and Republicans, as usual, want to base that decision on the personal wealth of an individual. The Republican philosophy is that you can get healthcare if you can afford it and if you can't, then die quickly and don't leave a mess for us to clean up.
And name one GOP healthcare proposal that Dem's and Obama rejected. Name just one please because I just checked and their solution for 7 years was to vote 50 + times to repeal the ACA, did you expect anyone to take that as a serious proposal to 'fix' the problems? Obama and the Democrats suggested a number of changes to the ACA and Republican's refused to even consider them.
Good point also worth expanding upon...
No one really can afford the bills for any medical issue of consequence. My wife once had an issue that over the space of one weekend ran over $100,000. We would still be trying to pay that off if not for our insurance, not including the cost of bringing two children into the world and a good many other visits to the doctor and medical facilities that just go with life. None of us except maybe the 1 percenters have enough money to fully pay for these bills when we are hit with medical misfortune. Just like we can't pay for catastrophic events like losing our home, so we share the expense by way of pooled resources -- insurance, that in the case of medical services, we ALL must pay into as we can, because we are ALL consumers, without exception.
This is NOT socialism. This is simply how insurance works, and the only way to get broader/better quality health care for more Americans in general. There is simply no other way to make the numbers work better for more Americans rather than worse...
Why is it that just about everyone else I know that works in it continually berates Obama care citing multiple problems daily as to why it hurts the patients?
Something for people to think about. I see the effects on a daily basis.
You are going to have to explain what those effects on patients are, because to my knowledge, ACA is about insurance coverage and payment, not about the provision of services. So please give some specifics of these multiple problems hurting patients on a daily basis.
BTW, I work in a hospital.
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