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Old 04-23-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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When the lessor of 2 evils win, it's still evil. And no one wins.
Fair enough. Its now apparent the world is ending. Me and you agree.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!
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Old 04-23-2017, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Fair enough. Its now apparent the world is ending. Me and you agree.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!
Better to teach one how to fish in order for that person to provide for themself.
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Old 04-24-2017, 03:51 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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But for some reason you believed "Yes We Can" what ever that means.
And let's not forget, "Forward!" (We've actually gone backward)
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Old 04-24-2017, 04:31 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yeah, and wouldn't it be funny if the person who one side says has no chance actually went on to win? Like it never happened before? Right?
Would the left really vote for a lily White candidate who lied about being Native American for her own personal and professional gain? Whatever happened to the horrendous offense of cultural misappropriation?
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Old 04-24-2017, 04:49 AM
 
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Elizabeth Warren. She's fighting the good fight. Please don't do the pocahontas trumpian name calling thing.
Why should anyone vote for a lily White woman who lied about being Native American for both personal and professional gain?

Maybe if Hillary had lied and said she was Black, she could have won the election.
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Old 04-24-2017, 05:08 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Would the left really vote for a lily White candidate who lied about being Native American for her own personal and professional gain? Whatever happened to the horrendous offense of cultural misappropriation?
An excellent question.
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Old 04-24-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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Like the poll where 63% of republicans think their party is out of touch and 67% of democrats feel the same way about the DNC.
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Old 04-24-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: PGI
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So here's the alternative. Vote in a democratic congress in 2018.
I'll go you one better - Vote out all incumbents in 2018.

If we actually united for the next election and voted out all the incumbents it will send shock waves throughout the country. Cocky politicians who think flashy campaign ads paid for by big money donors will get them elected will be quaking in their boots.

Those smug faces too often seen on elected officials will quickly evaporate. And for the next two years the remainder of incumbents will be dancing for US and not their big money donors. It will still be mostly BS spewed from their lips but they will know the day has come when we, the people, finally wised up.

Take control of American politics - Vote out ALL incumbents!
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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I'll go you one better - Vote out all incumbents in 2018.

If we actually united for the next election and voted out all the incumbents it will send shock waves throughout the country. Cocky politicians who think flashy campaign ads paid for by big money donors will get them elected will be quaking in their boots.

Those smug faces too often seen on elected officials will quickly evaporate. And for the next two years the remainder of incumbents will be dancing for US and not their big money donors. It will still be mostly BS spewed from their lips but they will know the day has come when we, the people, finally wised up.

Take control of American politics - Vote out ALL incumbents!
I still have my 'don't re elect nobody' sticker.
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Old 04-24-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Seriously?

The popular vote is meaningless in a Republic made up of 50 sovereign states. We are not a democracy. The majority of states voted for Trump, and it's that vote that counts, not the total of nationwide popular vote. Of course, you know this. You just want to keep making a point of something that has no meaning, because you think it should have meaning. But it doesn't, and no matter how much you want it to, we are not going to give our power over to majority rule, which is tyranny, and means that we are no longer a country of citizen government, because all the power would be in the hands of the majority, rather than shared by all people.

You need to learn some things about our system of government. The States created the Federal Government. It is supposed to work for us. That's why we vote as sovereign states for President and VP. And that's why each State sends its representatives to Congress. "We the People" hold the power. That's why the Constitution begins, "We the People of the United States ..." The power belongs to the people of the United States, not to the Federal Government, and not to the majority. It belongs to all people.

It is the media that has created the irrelevant "100 day" measure of performance, and Trump is right to point out the irrelevance of such a standard of measure, especially since, unlike with Newt Gingrich and the Congressional Republicans' former "Contract with America," Trump has little control over the timing of it's implementation. He is not a dictator. He doesn't make law. Congress does. It is Congress that sets the agenda and creates the timetable, and they have reasons for doing it the way they have chosen to do it. You know that, but it makes for good political rhetoric (so the Democrats think, anyway) to argue that Trump is not keeping his promises. But to those who understand how our system works, this can easily backfire on the Democrats, especially since it is they who are doing their level best to throw up roadblocks to that agenda. One example is the illegal blocking of Trump's "Travel Ban" E.O., which was part of his promise to control immigration of people who may not be interested in coming to America to become Americans, but may actually be interested in doing us harm. These Democrat judges have stepped beyond their authority and have made rulings based not on law but on their political opinions. Trumps E.O. is based on established law, and his authority as President to establish immigration policy. Judges do not have authority to set immigration policy. That is the President's alone.

As for his approval rating, the last I checked Rasmussen, one of the more accurate polls, has him at 49%. But given that these polls often over-sample Democrats, I don't pay any attention to any of them. They certainly were completely wrong leading up to the election.
I read this comment and all the others since I wasted a little time here yesterday morning, and there are just too many "issues" to address, but just one or two things here before I move on...

True we are not a "democracy." The populous does not decide our political outcomes from a legal standpoint. The electorates and those elected to Congress represent "we the people," they are charged do our bidding (or not), broker our interests (or those of special interests). Also true, there is a case for majority rule, but also there are serious problems that come of majority rule. To keep in mind either way, is that less than a majority of Americans voted for Trump, and who is represented by the ultimate outcome of the electoral college votes is subject to debate. All done business now in any case, but no great mandate for what Trump represents either.

The "first 100 days" is simply a measure that can be compared and contrasted with prior administrations. Nothing more and nothing less, but every POTUS has the same number (100) days with which to get started working on their political agenda. Fear or inability to consider this comparison like any other fair comparison is simply not thinking objectively. Fear not, unless you don't like the way the comparison fits your narrative. Right? Also fear not, because then quickly comes the first year comparison, and the years that follow.

When we also do not respect our other branch of government, the Judicial branch, to do as it too is supposed to serve "we the people" with respect to upholding the law, then there too we risk political partiality. Judges are appointed to UPHOLD THE LAW. If any judge finds any EO outside what is lawful, then maybe just maybe the EO is rightfully stayed. Apparently, the courts have held that Trump's tweets indicated an intent that was not lawful and judged his EO in that regard. That makes perfect sense from a legal standpoint or the stay is overruled, regardless what you may feel to the contrary.
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