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Old 06-02-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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I studied it; it's real. Unless you can prove that NASA and innumerable climate station data is wrong. There's also already so much CO2 in the atmosphere that if we stopped all anthropogenic emissions today, it would still be 20 years before we get below 350ppm. I.e. there's going to be a 2° C change in temperature whether we like it or not

I studied renewable energy, too. That's likely all a lie. People talk about how expensive it is in dollars, but corn ethanol, solar, and wind generally all take more energy to manufacture than you ever get out of them (i.e., you burn more fossil fuel energy building a solar photovoltaic panel than you get out of it in it's lifetime). Hard to say though bc the industry obfuscates EROEI

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Old 06-02-2017, 07:19 PM
 
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Another poster with the 95% which has been proven fake.
97 Articles Refuting The "97% Consensus" | Climate Change Dispatch

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...100-wrong/amp/
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Blackistan
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Nye's college degree is in mechanical engineering. He is not a scientist.
He presents a wide range of scientific concepts at an introductory level. He's an entertainer, sure, but he understands science and knows how to communicate it to beginners. Mechanical engineering requires a deep understanding of math and science. What are Whittle's qualifications?
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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Why has every climate model been way off?
Have they? How familiar are you with models and their accuracy? In short: Some are pretty accurate, and some aren't as accurate - depending on what they're attempting to predict.


Some reading that might be helpful.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...global-warming

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...an-you-thought

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-models-worse/

Is Climate Too Complex to Model or Predict? | Popular Science

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5...-arent-better/
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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I studied it; it's real. Unless you can prove that NASA and innumerable There's also already so much CO2 in the atmosphere that if we stopped all anthropogenic emissions today, it would still be 20 years before we get below 350ppm. I.e. there's going to be a 2° C change in temperature whether we like it or not

I studied renewable energy, too. That's likely all a lie. People talk about how expensive it is in dollars, but corn ethanol, solar, and wind generally all take more energy to manufacture than you ever get out of them (i.e., you burn more fossil fuel energy building a solar photovoltaic panel than you get out of it in it's lifetime). Hard to say though bc the industry obfuscates EROEI
Your sentence structure and syntax is very poor, and makes understanding your point difficult.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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While the deniers keep on denying, human caused temperatures continue to climb, sea ice melts, coral reefs die, droughts get drier and floods get deeper.

You can't deny the physics. Humans burn 1,000 barrels of oil per second. All that CO2 in the air can only do one thing: warm the planet. And it is.

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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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You can either believe over 95% of the scientists as well as business leaders all over the globe who believe manmade climate change is real or you can believe a few pseudo-scientists and fossil fuel propagandists.


Your children's future is at stake. One side cares, one side will sell them out.
Well said.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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While the deniers keep on denying, human caused temperatures continue to climb, sea ice melts, coral reefs die, droughts get drier and floods get deeper.

You can't deny the physics. Humans burn 1,000 barrels of oil per second. All that CO2 in the air can only do one thing: warm the planet. And it is.
Wow!!! Documented proof the earth has never warmed before!!!!

I wish I'd known this was the first warming so I could have jumped on the band wagon early.
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:31 PM
 
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While the deniers keep on denying, human caused temperatures continue to climb, sea ice melts, coral reefs die, droughts get drier and floods get deeper.

You can't deny the physics. Humans burn 1,000 barrels of oil per second. All that CO2 in the air can only do one thing: warm the planet. And it is.
Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide - Global Warming Petition Project
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The average temperature of the Earth has varied within a range of about 3°C during the past 3,000 years. It is currently increasing as the Earth recovers from a period that is known as the Little Ice Age...

While major green house gas H2O substantially warms the Earth, minor green house gases such as CO2 have little effect.... The 6-fold increase in hydrocarbon use since 1940 has had no noticeable effect on atmospheric temperature ...
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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You can either believe over 95% of the scientists as well as business leaders all over the globe who believe manmade climate change is real or you can believe a few pseudo-scientists and fossil fuel propagandists.


Your children's future is at stake. One side cares, one side will sell them out.
Other 5% take high salaries and sell themselves out at exxon mobil or the heritage foundation which is funded by exxon mobil.
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