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It isn't the same thing at all. The suicidal person makes a conscious choice to harm themselves. Nasty text messages are not a weapon held against their head. And a two year old is not mature enough to make any decisions for themselves.
Claiming a suicidal person doesn't know they don't have a choice is absurd. She has successfully infantilized the victim in order to make her claims seem like they make sense.
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Originally Posted by sciroccot
Evidently, while in her texts, she never discussed options other than suicide to give the guy some hope.
He was open for advice and she steered him toward suicide. A bit like driving a car where one has the option to stop and let the pedestrian cross, or just run them over. In this case she chose the latter.
Actually, if you read the text stream, she did encourage him to get help again and again in the beginning. He steadfastly refused, insisting that suicide was what he wanted.
Another stupid analogy. In that case it was an accident. Suicide is not an accident, it is a deliberate act.
Well, I thought you said suicide is a tragedy earlier, that is why I responded with
" a mother accidentally burned her baby to death is still a tragedy, but she would still be charged with a crime."
Now you are saying suicide is a deliberate act ?
I never called any of your posts stupid, by the way.
Well, I thought you said suicide is a tragedy earlier, that is why I responded with
" a mother accidentally burned her baby to death is still a tragedy, but she would still be charged with a crime."
Now you are saying suicide is a deliberate act ?
I never called any of your posts stupid, by the way.
Claiming a suicidal person doesn't know they don't have a choice is absurd. .
No, a lot of time, they didn't realize they had a choice. That is why they killed themselves. Claiming a suicidal person DOES know he or she has a choice is absurd in my opinion.
Nobody said that, just explain to you why this woman deserves what she got.
Well, not sure why you are so unhappy with the verdict. She perhaps would be put in some kind of therapy program. I doubt she would be in jail for too long.
What she did is VERY different from the situation where angry couples telling each other to go kill yourself.
well, like I said, I have been blamed for my late boyfriend's suicide. They say I didn't do enough. I should have done this, and I should have done that. I should have spotted the suicide warning signs. But police has determined I didn't do anything wrong.
This case is not the normal "all couples fight" scenario. In my suicide survivor support group, we have a lot of survivors had a fight with their loved ones prior to their suicides. One lady even told her husband, "Go kill youself then". trust me, We all understand the survivor guilt.
In that ruling, the court found that Carter’s “virtual presence” at the time of the suicide and the “constant pressure” she had placed on Roy, who was in a delicate mental state, were enough proof for an involuntary manslaughter charge. She was basically telling him to "complete" the suicide. Which suicide survivors would do that to their loved ones?
None, nobody would do that, she was a very sick individual. It's the "Go kill yourself then" ones that I'm concerned about. I never witnessed anyone say that, but I can see it happening. The guilt and blame game was so heavy in that room, I still think about those people. Anyway, hopefully the courts can sort any future cases out correctly. Sorry about your loss, I did not read through all the replies.
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