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Old 10-25-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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Just as Prohibition of alcohol fueled organized crime, drug laws support organized crime, and for-profit-prisons.

Despite all the billions of wasted dollars and lives, does anyone honestly believe that you can't snort, sip, smoke, shoot, sniff, ... the mind altering chemical choice?

Here's a woman so deranged she can't figure out up from down and she has access to drugs.

Get real.
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:37 AM
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The trouble with the US is that it doesn't have cohesive plans to tackle issues on a national scale, at best there are plans at state and local level however this is subject to massive discrepancy in provision and funding.

In many other countries Mental Health provision is part of Universal Healthcare and everyone has access to free GP Services and free referrals in relation to psychiatric services whether they be community teams of Community Psychiatric Nurses and Social Workers or Hospital and inpatient units.

Whilst most mental health systems are far from perfect at least universal healthcare allows for a strategy to be put in place

Government promises an extra 21,000 NHS mental health staff - Telegraph

NHS England Mental Health Adults

Thousands of new roles to be created in mental health workforce plan - Gov.UK

There are also other positive things that can be done such as suicide awareness and intervention courses. Society as a whole needs to do more rather than just feeling pity and guilt or blaming drugs, indeed drug intervention programmes are also important in turning addicts lives around.

Drop in rail suicides after new Samaritans course - BBC News

Samaritans and Network Rail initiative 'prevented 1,000 suicide attempts in three years - Guardian

Suicide prevention on the railway - Network Rail

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Old 10-25-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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You can see the walking dead anytime you want by riding public transportation.
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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The trouble with the US is that it doesn't have cohesive plans to tackle issues on a national scale, at best there are plans at state and local level however this is subject to massive discrepancy in provision and funding.

In many other countries Mental Health provision is part of Universal Healthcare and everyone has access to free GP Services and free referrals in relation to psychiatric services whether they be community teams of Community Psychiatric Nurses and Social Workers or Hospital and inpatient units.

Whilst most mental health systems are far from perfect at least universal healthcare allows for a strategy to be put in place
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Our system is not only ineffective but expensive.

Housing someone with significant mental health issues in jail or prison is far more expensive than in a psychiatric facility. Estimates vary widely so who knows really, but a large percentage of those who are incarcerated are diagnosed with Major Depression, Bipolar, Schizophrenia, and PTSD.

Community support for someone with significant mental health issues in a state with halfway decent services often involves a SSI checks, subsidized housing , Food Stamps, county social workers, case managers, psychiatry, nursing, ... respite care... soup kitchens ... police officers ...

It's not cheap, but because the funding is spread out over a variety of sources -- Federal, state, and local -- the actual total cost is not easy to determine

In states that don't provide halfway decent services, there's always Greyhound Therapy.
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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We store our mentally ill and addicted on the streets.


As someone whose lived on the streets before this is true but there are also some VERY intelligent people who don't want to cope with everyday life.
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Old 10-25-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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I saw the walking dead, too. They weren't dirty, although many were over weight. But they were all looking at cell phones while in restaurants or out in public. Blank mindless facial expressions oblivious to their surroundings. True addicts.
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Old 10-25-2017, 11:08 AM
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Our system is not only ineffective but expensive.

Housing someone with significant mental health issues in jail or prison is far more expensive than in a psychiatric facility. Estimates vary widely so who knows really, but a large percentage of those who are incarcerated are diagnosed with Major Depression, Bipolar, Schizophrenia, and PTSD.

Community support for someone with significant mental health issues in a state with halfway decent services often involves a SSI checks, subsidized housing , Food Stamps, county social workers, case managers, psychiatry, nursing, ... respite care... soup kitchens ... police officers ...

It's not cheap, but because the funding is spread out over a variety of sources -- Federal, state, and local -- the actual total cost is not easy to determine

In states that don't provide halfway decent services, there's always Greyhound Therapy.


In many countries prisons have becomne dumping grounds for the mentally ill, however the sheer size of the US Prison population coupled with sketchy mental health service coverage means the situation is even more prevalent in the US.

Early intervention through community services, more inpatient facilities and more forensic psychiatric facililities for those with mental illness in the Criminal Justice System would all offer some solution, but sadly mental healthcare is often under funded and is often seen as far less important than the physical health care system.

In terms of cost forensic healthcare is expensive but is far more effective in the long term and leads to better long term rehabilitation and far less prospect of people being a danger to society when released.

Better than prison: life inside the UK's secure hospitals | Society | The Guardian

Rise in prisoners moved to mental health hospitals - Guardian

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