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Old 07-15-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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I think I understand the problem here, maybe a math-challenged issue. No worries. Here you go...
If the 9th Circuit was so good at rendering just rulings, they'd have a better than 20% success rate at SCOTUS.
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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What is the objective analysis other than as I earlier explained to you? The SC overturns a minuscule percentage of cases decided by the 9th Circuit Court. The part I noticed you did NOT quote from my comment about that. Crafty! Hard to consider that "all the time" as you noted before. Right?

Just can't admit when you're wrong, even when obvious, can you...
'Always being right' is another cognitive distortion:

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Always being right
Being wrong is unthinkable. This cognitive distortion is characterized by actively trying to prove one's actions or thoughts to be correct, while sometimes prioritizing self-interest over the feelings of another person.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortion

There's a list of the main types of cognition distortions at link, includes 'Blaiming' 'Disqualifying the positive' 'Emotional Reasoning' 'Fallacy of change' 'Fallacy of fairness' 'Filtering' ...
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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If you work with the public you work with them. Just like if a black couple had come in and he had refused.
No, black is not a religion.
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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So if it's religious believes, then does she also not make cake for all the other sins in her religion or just this one in particular?
My understanding (admittedly I'm only human & therefore my understanding is limited) it is limited to 'sincerely held religious beliefs' which would seem to be personal religious beliefs however it's been expanded to include the 'sincerely held religious beliefs' of incorporated business entities, however further limited to those business entities considered as 'closely held' as are 90% of US incorporated businesses.

In other words, 'clear as mud'.
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Old 07-15-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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If the 9th Circuit was so good at rendering just rulings, they'd have a better than 20% success rate at SCOTUS.
Okay, I get it...

Either you don't understand math, percentages, or you are being stubborn on purpose, to emphasize this trait about you, or you simply cannot be fair or objective in keeping with an adult intelligent discussion about such issues, statistics and facts.

There's another queue for you, but this time let me save you the copy/paste...

Religion is a Federally Protected Class under the Civil Rights Act. LGBT status is not.

Time for me to sign off now!
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Look, religious individuals have been persecuted for centuries. This is just more of the same type of persecution, even though doing so violates both the US Constitution and the Federal Civil Rights Act.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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Okay, I get it...

Either you don't understand math, percentages, or you are being stubborn on purpose, to emphasize this trait about you, or you simply cannot be fair or objective in keeping with an adult intelligent discussion about such issues, statistics and facts.

There's another queue for you, but this time let me save you the copy/paste...

Religion is a Federally Protected Class under the Civil Rights Act. LGBT status is not.

Time for me to sign off now!
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Look, religious individuals have been persecuted for centuries. This is just more of the same type of persecution, even though doing so violates both the US Constitution and the Federal Civil Rights Act.
I side with the baker. The decision should be based primarily on free speech grounds, not religion. I would not want to create a precedent that could allow Sharia law some protected status.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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Yes the world is going to hell in a hand basket but as long as we don't have gay wedding cakes it's all good.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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I side with the baker. The decision should be based primarily on free speech grounds, not religion. I would not want to create a precedent that could allow Sharia law some protected status.
Sorry you're unhappy about it, but Muslims have the same Federal Protection under the US Constitution and the Federal Civil Rights Act as anyone else.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Yes the world is going to hell in a hand basket but as long as we don't have gay wedding cakes it's all good.
No one said we can't have gay wedding cakes. Just order/buy from a baker who has no religious objection.
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