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Old 06-27-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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Single payer is the only option.
I don't see anything else that would work.

Premiums were increasing at such a pace before ACA, that many business were dropping it for employees and offering them a lump sum instead. The rate of increase slowed a bit during ACA, but is on the rise again.

Gawdawful bill that will increase premiums for everyone and really hurt the most vulnerable.


https://www.vox.com/2017/6/22/158552...-medicaid-poor
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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lol do you think this bill does that?
Absolutely not. It looks like Obamacare II to me. As someone said earlier, the only option is to just flat repeal Obamacare.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:42 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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^^^this^^^


Government does not belong in healthcare.



CN

It doesn't belong in the building of other nations either but that's never kept it out of that endeavor. A far better case "promote the general welfare" can be made for trying to improve our healthcare system than for lame attempts at building other nations.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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Absolutely not. It looks like Obamacare II to me. As someone said earlier, the only option is to just flat repeal Obamacare.
No, the only option is to join the rest of the civilized, developed world and implement some form of universal healthcare like France, Switzerland, etc. and stop letting insurance companies and billionaires make a profit off of people's health.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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ability to exclude newcomers.

I'm in favor of travel bans in all forms, seems like we agree on that.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:50 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No, the only option is to join the rest of the civilized, developed world and implement some form of universal healthcare like France, Switzerland, etc. and stop letting insurance companies and billionaires make a profit off of people's health.

Gonna be a long uphill slog trying to take profits away from those who own the lawmakers.
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Old 06-27-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I'm in favor of travel bans in all forms, seems like we agree on that.

WHY? Why are you in favor of the government telling you you can't go to say Havana if you want to?
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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We're about 4-5 years away from single payer anyway. The next Democrat that gets elected to President will make single payer their mark.
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Old 06-27-2017, 10:09 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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No, it is not. Getting the ******* government's hands out of my healthcare choices is the only option.
Sounds like you're a millionaire who can pay for your own medical expenses, including surgery and hospitalization. You don't want to be charged extra to help pay for the less fortunate. Hope you are able to hang onto your millions, that nothing ever causes you to lose your fortune or you'd be like the rest of us.

Gone are the days when the doctor would come to your house and you paid him $5.00. With all the medical advances it's much more complicated than that today and somebody has to be in charge of it.
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Old 06-27-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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Sounds like you're a millionaire who can pay for your own medical expenses, including surgery and hospitalization. You don't want to be charged extra to help pay for the less fortunate. Hope you are able to hang onto your millions, that nothing ever causes you to lose your fortune or you'd be like the rest of us.

Gone are the days when the doctor would come to your house and you paid him $5.00. With all the medical advances it's much more complicated than that today and somebody has to be in charge of it.
I'm not a millionaire but a working middle class citizen and I agree with ChrisC.
I pay monthly insurance premiums so that if I need surgery or hospitalization the insurance company covers ~80% of the cost after my 2500$ deductible. That's what most people do.
Those less fortunate are receiving medical insurance (medicare) or medicaid or other tax payer insurance premiums paid for by the taxpayers so if they need to go to the doctor, dentist, need medications, surgery or hospitalization insurance covers ALL of the cost.

I dont want to be charged extra so more people can get free healthcare while I pay high premiums for crappy insurance.
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