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If you were ever to have heard of one the architects of Obamacare Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel ( an oncologist and "bioethicist"), you would know this would become the norm if they have their way. Back before he got blow back about death panels, he is a vocal advocate of allowing people beyond their productive years to die, rather than be a drain on society.
Heck he said so about his father who is a retired MD and enjoying his retirement playing a lot of golf. He claims to think the same way about himself when that time comes. Rest assured others who think th same way, exclude themselves and their loved ones, since it will only be for the little people.
Ezekiel (brother of dead fish Rahm) is a fanatic who thinks he knows what is best for society, yet even he wouldn't have the guts to say inner city minority drug dealers who run up huge trauma costs, should not be saved.
Why?
Simple, because he'd be afraid of his fellow liberals using PC to attack him as racist. Yet he has no problem pontificating about letting your grandfather die despite the fact he contributed to society by serving his country in war, and working the rest of his life as a taxpayer.
But I digress.
Rest assured leftist socialist/communists want to do what they feel is right for the collective good. Yet when faced with a personal family crisis, the rules will not apply to them and theirs.
If you were ever to have heard of one the architects of Obamacare Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel ( an oncologist and "bioethicist"), you would know this would become the norm if they have their way. Back before he got blow back about death panels, he is a vocal advocate of allowing people beyond their productive years to die, rather than be a drain on society.
Heck he said so about his father who is a retired MD and enjoying his retirement playing a lot of golf. He claims to think the same way about himself when that time comes. Rest assured others who think th same way, exclude themselves and their loved ones, since it will only be for the little people.
Ezekiel (brother of dead fish Rahm) is a fanatic who thinks he knows what is best for society, yet even he wouldn't have the guts to say inner city minority drug dealers who run up huge trauma costs, should not be saved.
Why?
Simple, because he'd be afraid of his fellow liberals using PC to attack him as racist. Yet he has no problem pontificating about letting your grandfather die despite the fact he contributed to society by serving his country in war, and working the rest of his life as a taxpayer.
But I digress.
Rest assured leftist socialist/communists want to do what they feel is right for the collective good. Yet when faced with a personal family crisis, the rules will not apply to them and theirs.
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EMTLA has been law for 30 years. ED is required to stabilize regardless of the patient's profession or ability to pay. How would an ED know who was a drug dealer in the midst of a trauma? And yet you expect Emanuel to publicly state EDs should decide who lives and dies based upon speculation of their profession?
Universal healthcare does not automatically mean Single Payer.
Many countries have adopted Universal Healthcare but not Single Payer.
No two countries operate their Universal Healthcare alike.
The basic similarities are the mandate and government subsidies X % of the population.
Some countries rely completely on private insurance and some have a Single Payer model. Most are a blend of the two.
Some countries require employers to subsidize. And some do not.
When I think of single payer health insurance. I think of Government created affordable health insurance where individuals can choose this option or a private insurance or supplement with a private insurance. They have the abilityto choose from plans already set up or build their own plan. Cost affordable and what is covered is transparent. Can use the insurance across State lines. There would be a small flat tax to maintain the market. Tax rebates for those that opt put of this. Tax rebates for those involved with the plan are rewarded for living a healthy lifestyle. Few other details, but most of the jist when I think single payer health insurance.
I posted this for a reason. We just can't have it both ways. If we go the socialized route for the majority of people it will probably work out and there will be cases like these. If we continue on the way we are, only people like my wife and I that pay our $800 a month in premium will get coverage while those of us less fortunate will suffer.
The common denominator of all this though, and it is one that our politicians aren't focusing on , like Craigiri said, although I'll add "crony" capitalist health care is a big fail. I'm all for capitalism but what we are seeing from the insurance companies and big pharma is more like extortion.
How do we get a handle on it ? Our politicians fighting about it in DC aren't ... it certainly doesn't seem like it.
Do you believe that there aren't already cases like these with the system we currently have in place?
Why try to blame it on socialized medicine when it is very likely that the outcome would have been the exactly same had the child lived in the U.S.?
I don't know what "both ways" you think people are trying to have it, unless one way is death and the other is infinite prolonged existence of life regardless of likelihood of recovery. If that was the intent, why bring socialized medicine into it at all?
This thread is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt at emotional manipulation that does nothing to address why one system is supposedly better than the other.
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