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Old 06-30-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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I know this has to be a very rare situation, but in a country of 325 million it might become less rare.


UK Hospital Orders Child's Death, Parents Fight to Save Him | CBN News
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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And another example of a rare situation....
Decade-long wait for surgery 'ruining her life,' Alberta woman says - Health - CBC News
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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This is a irrational argument or point.

Put it another way.

The cost for health care in the USA is currently 10.5K per person per year. Part of this - in fact, uch of this, is due to EOL care and "miracles" where multiple organs are transplanted, machines used, etc.

Common sense (and reality) says that we cannot provide this to each and every citizen. There would not be enough organs to transplant and costs would go up vastly.

Pointing out a sad story (I could point to my closest cousin who just died of cancer - undiagnosed until a month before) means nothing.

Learn to use stats instead of pulling at heart strings. Every other semi-civilize country in the world - even CHINA - live longer than we do and spend less (most single payer). Infant and material mortality is also a better "value" elsewhere.

And so, capitalist health care is a BIG FAIL. You can cry all you want about some of the 7 billion people in this world not getting a million or more dollars worth of health care each. But that has nothing to do with the point at hand...unless you are volunteering to turn over more tax money...much more!
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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Learn to use stats instead of pulling at heart strings.
This.

It seems like every discussion about health care (or a plethora of other issues) devolves into an emotionally charged pissing match wherein people on both sides cite a random heart rending anecdote that in no way, shape, or form has anything to do with the systemic issues at hand.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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I know this has to be a very rare situation, but in a country of 325 million it might become less rare.


UK Hospital Orders Child's Death, Parents Fight to Save Him | CBN News
After spending millions on healthcare to keep this child from dying, what outcome would you expect with this going on?

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Charlie Gard was born with a form of mitochondrial disease, a condition that causes progressive muscle weakness and brain damage.
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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At what point do we accept the body and brain is dead.... all of the interventions are wonderful IF there's a chance of revival....but if the machines are ALL that is keeping a body barely functioning is that proper for us to do to another HUMAN? We won't do that to our pets since we don't want them to suffer but we do it to our "family".....

There does come a point where all that is happening is keeping a corpse functioning..... basically a zombie. The body deteriorates. If NOT for the machines they would be unable to sustain function on a basic level. This isn't death panel this is common sense....

As I said we wouldn't let ANIMALS suffer is the same conditions......

Life support for brain dead mother 'going from the extreme to the grotesque' - court told - Independent.ie

Total Brain Failure Is Death | Center on Human Exceptionalism

Jahi McMath: Family says brain-dead teen’s body may be too deteriorated to save – The Mercury News

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Old 06-30-2017, 09:03 AM
 
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I know this has to be a very rare situation, but in a country of 325 million it might become less rare.


UK Hospital Orders Child's Death, Parents Fight to Save Him | CBN News


Is this what single payer would get us ? Courts ordering life support machine turned off ?


What do you think would happen when he reached the lifetime cap decided by an insurance company?
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:03 AM
 
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I know this has to be a very rare situation, but in a country of 325 million it might become less rare.


UK Hospital Orders Child's Death, Parents Fight to Save Him | CBN News
Welcome to socialized medicine.
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:10 AM
 
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Welcome to socialized medicine.
Would you consider Medicare "socialized medicine?"
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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I posted this for a reason. We just can't have it both ways. If we go the socialized route for the majority of people it will probably work out and there will be cases like these. If we continue on the way we are, only people like my wife and I that pay our $800 a month in premium will get coverage while those of us less fortunate will suffer.


The common denominator of all this though, and it is one that our politicians aren't focusing on , like Craigiri said, although I'll add "crony" capitalist health care is a big fail. I'm all for capitalism but what we are seeing from the insurance companies and big pharma is more like extortion.


How do we get a handle on it ? Our politicians fighting about it in DC aren't ... it certainly doesn't seem like it.
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