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Old 06-30-2017, 01:36 PM
 
Location: London
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I know this has to be a very rare situation, but in a country of 325 million it might become less rare.


UK Hospital Orders Child's Death, Parents Fight to Save Him | CBN News
Without single payer or even the ACA, that kid wouldn't have made it this long, unfortunately.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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Legacy of socialized medicine.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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Without single payer or even the ACA, that kid wouldn't have made it this long, unfortunately.
Google the disease. The child has no chance.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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There are no life-time caps. Obamacare prohibits it.



Single-payer has many faces. The face of UK single-payer is the National Health Services under which all hospitals are owned by the British government and all healthcare workers are employed by the British government.

Had you read National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, US Supreme Court 183 L. Ed. 2d 450 (2012), then you'd know that the Supreme Court hints that a national system like Britain (or Portugal, Spain and Sweden) is unconstitutional.
Haven't you heard?


Obamacare is on its way out and from everything we know at this point, Trumpcare will not prohibit life-time caps.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:43 PM
 
Location: London
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I posted this for a reason. We just can't have it both ways. If we go the socialized route for the majority of people it will probably work out and there will be cases like these. If we continue on the way we are, only people like my wife and I that pay our $800 a month in premium will get coverage while those of us less fortunate will suffer.


The common denominator of all this though, and it is one that our politicians aren't focusing on , like Craigiri said, although I'll add "crony" capitalist health care is a big fail. I'm all for capitalism but what we are seeing from the insurance companies and big pharma is more like extortion.


How do we get a handle on it ? Our politicians fighting about it in DC aren't ... it certainly doesn't seem like it.
You make very good points. I would much rather have situation #1, where most people are fine and secure in their health coverage thanks to single payer.

The current situation, especially before the ACA, involved people like you and I paying way too much to a for-profit middle man health insurance company only to never be sure if they'd actually cover us if we needed them - or if they'd just more or less say, "Nah, we don't feel like covering this due to *insert shady loophole*. Thanks for the premiums, sucker!"

I don't know how anyone ever felt secure with a system like that.
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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Call it as I see it.

I want my own healthcare for me, no one else but me. The previous idiot in the WH took it away from me. Took my personal choice from me.
You must have no family, relatives, etc. or tens of millions in the bank....

Or, you figure - like Trump - you will just stiff people when the stakes are high.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:05 PM
 
Location: London
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FYI, that would be the same payment method as "socialized medicine." We pay into it with our income taxes.
It should be paid with VAT, not income taxes. That way everyone will have to pay into it, even illegals (who should be excluded from being able to benefit themselves).
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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The people who say "I want my own healthcare for me"... why don't you just get a job with employer healthcare? Seems like an easy answer to me. It's your choice you want to play the individual market game at all.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, to protect me.
Auto insurance it not mandatory to protect you, but others from you.
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Old 06-30-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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We knew this was coming. You give governments control of health care, it will get to this at some point in the future
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