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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 07:43 PM
 
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Is it "the end"?

How much, how far is one going to follow another when they can't understand what they are? When one is wet, cold, hungry, and tired and yet this officer tells you to get up and move, are they going to believe in them, are they going to follow them, or might the response instead be, "Frag you, Lt!"?

Or let's make it less complicated. What kind of motivational speech is the superior going to give when the ship is going on deployment and the sailor doesn't want to leave her new husband behind? Is the motivational speech going to be effective, is the sailor even going to believe the officer?

It's not that simple, despite what people might want to make it.
They're a fellow soldier. Anything else is really irrelevant. As long as they are fulfilling their duty, I see no reason why there should be any concern with this specific thing.

Obviously, people (such as yourself) disagree.

Then again, though, there is evidence that it is not an issue. We have active duty members, or people who have served, who are transgender (feel free to read the OP). Other nations have allowed transgender people to serve in their military (e.g. Israel, as mentioned earlier in this thread), and they have found no evidence that it is an issue.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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I never said they should be fired.

If they don't need to take meds on regular basis, they can stay. Once they decided to make that transition while serving in the military, they are no longer compatible with military service, they should be processed out.
Then what about the 84 million we spend on soldiers getting prescriptions for viagra & cialis? it's ok with you for taxpayers to foot the bill for that?
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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You keep on repeating it.

Two wrongs don't make one right.

Both need to go. Money doesn't grow on trees here yet
I only repeat it when someone brings the issue up again
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Then what about the 84 million we spend on soldiers getting prescriptions for viagra & cialis? it's ok with you for taxpayers to foot the bill for that?
didn't I answer that question already?

I said, two wrongs don't make one right. Both need to go
No tax payers should be forced to pay for somebody's viagra. that is ridiculous.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:50 PM
 
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Then what about the 84 million we spend on soldiers getting prescriptions for viagra & cialis? it's ok with you for taxpayers to foot the bill for that?
I believe lilyflower is against this, too.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I only repeat it when someone brings the issue up again
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I served 34 years in the Army. I’m transgender. President Trump is wrong. The most important thing in the military is getting the job done. Gender identity has nothing to do with it.

Sheri Swokowski is a retired Army colonel who served as the human resources director for the Wisconsin National Guard and the Rocky Mountain region of the U.S. Forest Service.




I personally think if someone is getting the job done, who cares about the rest. What do you all think?
I agree Hockey.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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They're a fellow soldier. Anything else is really irrelevant. As long as they are fulfilling their duty, I see no reason why there should be any concern with this specific thing.

Obviously, people (such as yourself) disagree.

Then again, though, there is evidence that it is not an issue. We have active duty members, or people who have served, who are transgender (feel free to read the OP). Other nations have allowed transgender people to serve in their military (e.g. Israel, as mentioned earlier in this thread), and they have found no evidence that it is an issue.
All right, if we are talking about the superior "fulfilling their duty"....are they fulfilling their duty by being able to lead their troops, do their troops believe in them? When things are cold and miserable, will they believe what their leader tells them, do what they are told to do, or will they want to give up, go home ANYWHERE to a comfortable bed? Will they continue to fight or will a surrender seem like a better option to them? What motivates them to go on?

The troops need to believe in their leaders. Their leaders need to be able to motivate them to do what has to be done. Will an 18-19 year old follow if their leader seems confused (from their viewpoint) about what they are?

Leave the other nations out of it. This is the US, this is our politics, this is our society. It is not another country, it is here, it is now, and the US goes where other countries don't. This is not "that country".
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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All right, if we are talking about the superior "fulfilling their duty"....are they fulfilling their duty by being able to lead their troops, do their troops believe in them? When things are cold and miserable, will they believe what their leader tells them, do what they are told to do, or will they want to give up, go home ANYWHERE to a comfortable bed? Will they continue to fight or will a surrender seem like a better option to them? What motivates them to go on?

The troops need to believe in their leaders. Their leaders need to be able to motivate them to do what has to be done. Will an 18-19 year old follow if their leader seems confused (from their viewpoint) about what they are?

Leave the other nations out of it. This is the US, this is our politics, this is our society. It is not another country, it is here, it is now, and the US goes where other countries don't. This is not "that country".
If they are a good leader, then their fellow soldiers will believe in them. This is completely merit-based, like it is for any other soldier. It is really that simple - all soldiers are placed under the same pressures, and their performance is measured in the same way. If they are a bad leader, they wouldn't even be in this purely hypothetical situation you mention above (for good reason).

I see no reason why a transgender person can't do that. In fact, they have (see op).

You say leave other nations out of it (ok - like we're really THAT different...we're not), but we have evidence of transgender soldiers serving in our nation's military (see OP, and the recent months where soldiers were allowed to serve openly).


It's obvious you disagree, and that is perfectly fine - but I'm not convinced by your argument.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If they are a good leader, then their fellow soldiers will believe in them. This is completely merit-based, like it is for any other soldier. It is really that simple - all soldiers are placed under the same pressures, and their performance is measured in the same way. If they are a bad leader, they wouldn't even be in this purely hypothetical situation you mention above (for good reason).

I see no reason why a transgender person can't do that. In fact, they have (see op).

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