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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Um, one little problem (for you), It is NOT unconstitutional. Show me where in the Constitution that it says the US armed forces is required to let anyone serve for any reason. You have no clue what you are talking about. Worry about your own ignorance instead of worrying about Trump and the courts.
That may be true, but what's the change based on??
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:25 PM
 
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sorry, but your silly attempts to compare a mental illness to civil rights is not working.
I am not comparing a mental illness to civil rights. They are not similar and can't be compared. I'm drawing a causation between fear of change and making silly excuses.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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These Social Justice Weaklings deny the logic of such a call. Perhaps we should disallow heterosexual White men from the military. Only non-whites, women and freaks. That should appease them, but they will call it a conspiracy to have them die off. Idiots.

A grown man who believes himself to be a woman is mentally ill.

The same would hold true for a man who believes himself to be pirate, a super hero, or a starship captain.

Attempts to act out these fantasies in one's day to day life should constitute all the proof of mental illness a court needs to commit an adult for psychiatric treatment. Instead, our society shifts the burden to normal people to play along with another's demented fantasy on pain of of being prosecuted or sued for discrimination.

To suppress the normal for the benefit of the crazy is a sign of a civilization at the end of its cultural rope. At this point the whole sick system has to be swept away, the sooner the better, so a new world can be rebuilt from the rubble.

This executive order was a massive symbolic step in the right direction.

Now Trump might want to consider bringing back the Aliens and Sedition Act for his next coup.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:41 PM
 
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:08 AM
 
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?
Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill. If you can't agree with yourself as to your basic nature, then you are already at war. With yourself. There is no need to resort to recruiting the mentally ill and charge them with life and death decision making. That should only be open to people who can demonstrate basic cognitive consonance with reality.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill. If you can't agree with yourself as to your basic nature, then you are already at war. With yourself. There is no need to resort to recruiting the mentally ill and charge them with life and death decision making. That should only be open to people who can demonstrate basic cognitive consonance with reality.
Agreed.

I wanted to join the Air Force, but I could not because I am a diabetic. I was bummed, but certainly understood why. I require medication 2 times a day..every day or I might die. It would be impossible to absolutely guarantee that i would never miss a dose if im in a foxhole guarding against attack.

I didn't scream and whine that my rights were bieng violated and its unconstitutional.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:50 AM
 
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A grown man who believes himself to be a woman is mentally ill.
The same would hold true for a man who believes himself to be pirate, a super hero, or a starship captain.
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?

Marc Paolella
Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill.


Is either one of you a certified, qualified, medical professional? If not, do you believe you can diagnose medical conditions? What indicator of your mental health would it be if you believed either one of these notions?
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:10 AM
 
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Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill. If you can't agree with yourself as to your basic nature, then you are already at war. With yourself. There is no need to resort to recruiting the mentally ill and charge them with life and death decision making. That should only be open to people who can demonstrate basic cognitive consonance with reality.
Exactly. May as well let the legally blind pilot aircraft for the USAF so as to not "discriminate".
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:15 AM
 
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I think we're missing the point. If you're qualified why should your gender (alone) disqualify you?

Marc Paolella
Because you are not qualified. And can't be qualified. A mental illness of the magnitude of denying your most basic attribute is a disconnect from reality, and more than sufficient grounds to be deemed mentally ill.


Is either one of you a certified, qualified, medical professional? If not, do you believe you can diagnose medical conditions? What indicator of your mental health would it be if you believed either one of these notions?
So, by your logic, someone who was born as male cannot claim to be a female since they are not qualified as a medical professional to make such a claim..is that what your saying?
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:19 AM
 
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Are we going to go down the rabbit hole of what Healthcare the military should pay for for its soldiers? If so, what are your thoughts on covering erectile dysfunction? Pentagon spends 10 times more on erectile disfunction meds than transgender services

Do you find this coverage to be a wise use of military funds (taxpayer money)?



What you're advocating feels like a very slippery slope.
I learned something interesting today while reading articles and comments from other military members etc. The fact about ED drugs was brought up. Someone spoke up and said that he and a few friends were prescribed it for PTSD. I did some research and found out that the two are linked together.
Study from 2006- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16855464 There were several other articles as I looked into it more. I wonder how much of the amount the pentagon spends is for the VA?
I know when my husband had a bad landing not only did his short term memory have issues but he had issues in that department too. He called it his brain fog. He was given a few pills until his head "fog" cleared up.

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Our military is not an entitlement program . People are denied entry and get discharged often, for many reasons.
So very, very true. We can also lose the things we have access to. Commissary, PX, access to base, etc.
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