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Old 08-04-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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It should have been Single Payer from the beginning.
Wasn't the Republicans against single Payer
Joe Lieberman, eventually an Independent who caucused with Democrats (and was the 2000 VP nominee for the Democrats) was the roadblock to a public option when the ACA was germinating. Lieberman threatened to filibuster if a public option was included.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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And the death spiral for the load of crap called Obamacare continues!

Back to square one and start over...
Great, and your plan is...?
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:41 PM
 
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Joe Lieberman, eventually an Independent who caucused with Democrats (and was the 2000 VP nominee for the Democrats) was the roadblock to a public option when the ACA was germinating. Lieberman threatened to filibuster if a public option was included.
What was being suggested was those over 55 being able to buy insurance off the government. That is not what we need.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:45 PM
 
Location: USA
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Dont worry Trump will repeal Obamacare and great coverage will be just $19.99 a month. All the health insurance problems are Obama's fault since there were no problems before 2009.
He sure didn't help much. He was either lying, ignorant, or both.

Obama:
"We will keep this promise to the American people, if you like your Doctor, you can keep your Doctor, period!"

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan, period!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfl55GgHr5E

"Obama Promises To Lower Health Insurance Premiums by $2,500 Per Year"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4


"CBS Highlights New Report With Dire News ObamaCare 'Makes Things Worse' In ER"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfQkfNnTWM

"Obamacare Causes Disabled Family's Insurance Bill To Increase 300 Percent"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShDg7uUx_dY
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Actually, yes, they are better. At least with a corporation, I can try to find relief in court, with the government, lol, good luck.

I can also compare the experiences of other people to find an insurance company that isn't as bad. With single payer my choice is limited to one choice.
I hear this concept a lot, but don't really understand. What relief do you think you're going to get in court? Do you really think you have time?

When it took a month for my insurance to approve scans that I needed and a course of treatment for my already stage IV cancer, I had no opportunity to "find relief" in court. While friends in an online support group for my type of cancer got into chemo within a week in the UK, Canada, and Israel, it took over a month for me. And my insurance wouldn't approve the chemotherapy regime that my oncologist recommended and that my friends in the UK, Canada, and Israel had no problem getting as first line treatment. I had multiple scans cancelled because the night before I was due to have them my insurance denied the preauthorization. I was getting treatment at one of the best cancer centers in the world and it makes me sick how many hours both they and I wasted fighting with the insurance.

But had I tried to sue, not only would I have lost (or never even been able to file a claim), but what good would that have done me when days mattered?

This was, by the way, only a few months after I had been denied all but a very expensive (more than my rental budget) catastrophic plan due to minor, unrelated preexisting conditions at 23. No choice there. Nor would I have had a choice other than to try to find an employer with different insurance while actively going through cancer.

Reality doesn't parse out with your fantasy.
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:00 PM
 
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Put the insurance vultures out of business. SINGLE PAYER NOW!

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/02/reut...-year-end.html
That rate hike is because Trump is threatening to not pay the subsidies to intentionally increase rates and force it to collapse.
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Obamacare was designed to fail so Hillary could implement Single Payer, government run healthcare which would be the largest disaster in U.S. history. It is up to the GOP, and Trump to create a market based alternative that works. Not government run, Communist healthcare which would be just like the VA. A horror show.
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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That rate hike is because Trump is threatening to not pay the subsidies to intentionally increase rates and force it to collapse.
When did subsidizing Wall Street become a good thing?
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:28 PM
 
Location: USA
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That rate hike is because Trump is threatening to not pay the subsidies to intentionally increase rates and force it to collapse.
It will collapse on it's own regardless of what Trump does. Obamacare has failed. It didn't save us $2500 a years, as promised. We couldn't keep our Doctors as promised. We couldn't keep our current Insurance as promised. Emergency room use is at an all time high, which was supposed to go down. It is truly the Non-Affordable Health Care Act.
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Old 08-04-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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It will collapse on it's own regardless of what Trump does. Obamacare has failed. It didn't save us $2500 a years, as promised. We couldn't keep our Doctors as promised. We couldn't keep our current Insurance as promised. Emergency room use is at an all time high, which was supposed to go down. It is truly the Non-Affordable Health Care Act.
But the fine lives.
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