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Old 08-06-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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Ask the Air Traffic Controllers how the union worked out for them.
or the Hostess Twinkienistas.



Twinkies Maker Hostess to Liquidate Company After Strike - ABC News
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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If your local is spending too much money lobbying that is something you should address with your rep. I've belonged to two public sector unions and they did very little lobbying and most of it was non-partisan- it usually involved candidates for the City Council or County board of Supervisors. But a portion of your dues are probably sent to the national level union representing your local, probably AFL-CIO or SEIU, and those unions generally, but not always support Democrats. But I don't understand 'enough is enough' unless your dues are skyrocketing due to lobbying
Millions were spent for years on backing whomever favored longer prison sentences, three strikes, etc. Now it is not in their best interest to do so because public perception has changed. I am hoping they keep a much lower profile and work for the employees instead of political favor.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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Ask the Air Traffic Controllers how the union worked out for them.
What happened was not the fault of the union, it was part of Reagan's war on labor. Air Traffic Controllers are currently unionized with NATCA which is part of AFL-CIO, so what exactly is your point?
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:13 AM
 
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Millions were spent for years on backing whomever favored longer prison sentences, three strikes, etc. Now it is not in their best interest to do so because public perception has changed. I am hoping they keep a much lower profile and work for the employees instead of political favor.
In California there was basically one union responsible for that, CCPOA (correctional officers association) and it was shameful- they even bankrolled a crime victim group to do their dirty work for them.

I can't say enough bad things about CCPOA, and I'm a retired public employee who is pro union and pro law enforcement.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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In California there was basically one union responsible for that, CCPOA (correctional officers association) and it was shameful- they even bankrolled a crime victim group to do their dirty work for them.

I can't say enough bad things about CCPOA, and I'm a retired public employee who is pro union and pro law enforcement.
It was shameful and much of the rank and file thought so too. Left a very bad taste in my mouth. But other public sector unions do the same as far as political power for their membership gravy train.

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Old 08-06-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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I don't know what kind of people have an "Anti-Union" stand.... when now days, employee's have NO VOICE, stagnated wage and NO BENEFITS. They can be terminated without a process of recourse.

These "lone wolf types", who like to think they did everything themselves, is the most insidious thing that has become of American people, along with the "degree riders" who attacked Unions, because they could not tolerate seeing others make a decent wage, beause they think their 4 yrs of lecture, fun and game, and riding the status label of "university student", makes them something they are not. Every since they have converted the system to claim themselves as the most important elements in jobs; we've seen nothing but Corporate and Industrial Decline in every industry and every category of the industrial supply chains.

People now are Lazier than they have ever been and the bulk of the Degree Riders, think they should get Desk and Make decisions, and we've seen the worst of the worst of Industrial decisions, and community erosion all across America.
People no longer have a group unity identity with their employment environment, and everything within the industrial sector has become nothing but back stabbing and cut-throat... and job layoffs have left people doing the job of two and 1/2 person, as the quality of everything has declined to become nothing more than non durable quickly disposable cheap goods. Job training is out the windows, even re-current training is phased out in many jobs. The only persons getting a raise is the "degree riding higher administrative sectors".
There is no "uniformity in the workplace", and many now look like a rag tag operation where people come to work looking any kind of way. Equipment at many places is un-maintained along with some area standards have deteriorated conditions.

Half the Anti-Union People have no idea why they became Anti-Union, except for the fact that Union Busting became the Go To thing, once The Civil Rights Act was passed, because it was a way to avoid minorities and women getting equal pay, and having class and craft skill, and receiving OJT.

The Same Unions that Built the Model where Middle Class could exist, have seen the Middle Class vanish along with the Anti-Union stance.

It's just another element of "American Absurdity" that led to the Anti-Union Mentality. "As a Result: "Communities and Families Decline at an Accelerated Rate All Across the Nation". Union was the last force that stood against Outsourcing.

~ # of billionaires rise and poverty increase
~ The more ignorance spreads, gullibility consumes the masses
~ Executive Greed

The historical reason Unions were created improved working condition for American people, the disbanding of Union has seen nothing but Executive Compensation Sky Rocket, Company Profit Go through the roof and Million Upon Million without jobs and those who do work, have no benefits and the only pension they get is the 401K, that results makes more money for Fidelity, than it makes for the Uniquely Individual Employees who put their money in it. The Company contributes absolutely "0%. They lured the unintelligent Anti-Union Minded Employees in by first claiming a 1-1 match, then it went to 50 cent to the dollar, down to 25 cent to the dollar and now stands at "0" cent to the dollar... Health care was provided with no contribution from the employee, then when union busting came, then came deductions and the co pay, and now health care is sky high, and deduction for premimums is higher than ever before under the once upon a time, Union backed Health care. Union Health Care programs helped keep not only insurance cost down, it kept medical services cost down as well, because the medical community knew the Insurance companies understood Hospital gaming, so they had reasonable cost, because the Insurance was not going to pay the over inflated cost of exaggerated hospital billings.
But, you can't make some of these "under-educated and uneducated people think enough to bring them to understand how things worked for the betterment of people, employees and systems, organizations and society. they are devoted to only believe what the " man is a suit tells them", "and if its "a white man in a suit" they take it as if God himself has spoken. That's how they have been groomed to think. and they get chump played every time, and driven right back to accepting being of a Serf's devotional mentality. They will physically fight to retain and hold on to that "Be a SERF Grooming".

Sadly, the same people who promote Anti-Union Mentality can be attributed with a successive string of failures and declines in and through the American system.
President Nixon set the stage for Busting Union, by his aim to send "Ore Processing and Steel Production to China" in the late 1960's, with a direct aim to weaken and bust up the Steel Workers Union, and ever commodity that was Union Structured was fast shipped off to China and any other location around the world, and all America got was unemployed people, the devastation of the Middle Class, stagnant wages, Low grade products and cities across the country on the edge of bankruptcy...

Now, Trump wants to turn you kids into Apprentices..

One would need to go learn about "the Colonial Period" to understand the model of Apprenticeship that Trump is proposing. Maybe you have no understanding of what an Apprentice truly in within the American Ideal and Model. "It's nothing but a modified version of indentured servitude, that is the closest thing they can get to creating a format that leans toward the ideals of slavery.

Apprenticeship’s distinguishing feature was its contract of indenture, which elaborated the terms of the arrangement.

It's amazing "how gullible some segment of American people are".... ( No wonder Trump spoke of his love of the "uneducated".... he knows, a certain segment will always worship a wealthy white man in a business suit, as he can convince the masses of uneducated to fight and stand against themselves generation after generation, and the line up willingly like "sheep" .... "waiting to be shaved" and he puts them back out to pasture, until next "shaving season". and they are happy, just to have grazing land.)

People who want a life that functions well in a governed system that respect regulatory governance and fair play industry, should pray, "Dear Lord, please don't let my babies grow up and become Current Day Republicans... This is likely the best prayer to avoid raising yet another generation with a Serf mentality; of wealth masters worship...

This is not the Republican system based on the party of Lincoln, it is a remake of the Confederacy which finally took dominance over the Republican Party in the late 1960's, as they switched up, with aims they could roll back Civil Rights and they have been trying every since, to re-establish as many of the Confederate Ideals as they can lead people to support.

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Old 08-06-2017, 09:03 AM
 
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What happened was not the fault of the union, it was part of Reagan's war on labor. Air Traffic Controllers are currently unionized with NATCA which is part of AFL-CIO, so what exactly is your point?
PATCO terminated their own jobs, via an illegal strike. Reagan responded beautifully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profes...nization_(1968)
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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A union doesn't guarantee you anything except to take part of your paycheck.
Neither does a lawyer, but we retain advocates anyway to represent us for all kinds of reasons.

I guess you never needed one.

Good for you.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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PATCO terminated their own jobs, via an illegal strike. Reagan responded beautifully.
I know what happened, I was around then. But it's apparent that it did not cause the employees to reject unionization did it? There have been other cases where strikes were ended or avoided by government intervention that does not make unions bad or prove them to be without value, all union members know that's a possibility and no union that I'm aware of wants to go on strike but just because a union might lose a battle does not render it 'bad' or 'worthless'.
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Old 08-06-2017, 09:22 AM
 
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A union doesn't guarantee you anything except to take part of your paycheck.
That's the most idiotic thing ever.... it comes from the type who wants' something for nothing.... If one can't digest paying an average of $420 a year for an Organization that gives them voice, supporting them having and getting benefits of Medical, Dental and at one time a pension, that was contributed to by the company"... then one is either a miser of the worst sort... who expected something for nothing.. and now, they got exactly what they wanted for Nothing... which is "NOTHING".. no benefit, no pension and all the other things stripped away, that Union's once provided. Because they don't have a Union.

America does not need to be attacked by any foreign powers to bring it downwards!!!, we have enough types within the borders of American who have been on a self destruct mission for a very long time, fighting against themselves... and no one can help anyone who is determined to be their own worst enemy", they've done all they can to bring American down... and we see it from one Coast to the Next Coast....

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