Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Should a business be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner’s re
Yes 105 54.12%
No 80 41.24%
Not sure 9 4.64%
Voters: 194. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
89,035 posts, read 44,853,831 times
Reputation: 13718

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by MMS02760 View Post
Giving businesses the same rights as citizens with respects to religious liberty is very dangerous and a path to a never ending slippery slope. Businesses are not people.
"The business" didn't decline to bake a custom-ordered wedding cake for a same sex wedding, the baker did.

 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
5,302 posts, read 2,356,621 times
Reputation: 1230
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest View Post
Applying this type of inquiry specifically to the 'Sweet Cakes by Melissa' case:

You seem to be saying, if one chooses to open up a business in a particular State, one may not have to abide by the laws of that State.

Ok, what's your reasoning?

Ok, but why?
No, they shouldn't have to abide by those laws, because they're violations of their inherent rights of self-ownership.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:36 AM
 
9,254 posts, read 3,589,174 times
Reputation: 4852
Quote:
Originally Posted by T0103E View Post
No, they shouldn't have to abide by those laws, because they're violations of their inherent rights of self-ownership.
So too with health codes, safety statutes. The enforcement of a business's obligation to pay rent to its landlord likewise violates that inherent right.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
36,853 posts, read 17,373,891 times
Reputation: 14459
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEPLimey View Post
So too with health codes, safety statutes. The enforcement of a business's obligation to pay rent to its landlord likewise violates that inherent right.
Health codes and safety statutes are not consensual agreements.

A landlord/renter agreement is consensual.

Start from there.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
5,302 posts, read 2,356,621 times
Reputation: 1230
Quote:
Originally Posted by jazzarama View Post
Get this straight. Complaining about a business's practices is not the same as prohibiting the practice. It's perfectly ok to complain about or to a business that refuses to serve cops, gay weddings, wearers of MAGA or Impeach Trump t-shirts, etc. The issue is, should it be illegal.
Yes, you got it. A lot of these arguments follow the same logic as people who opposed/currently oppose freedom of speech.

If you said someone has the right to claim that Hitler was a good guy, or rape should be legal, or you should worship Satan, or whatever, they would act as if you're condoning those things and argue for laws against it. We're just saying they have the right to do it, not that we agree with it.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
36,853 posts, read 17,373,891 times
Reputation: 14459
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEPLimey View Post
It could only be equated to slavery if the business-owner was compelled by the government to run the business. But that's not the case.

The Civil Rights Act isn't codified slavery any more than the health codes that apply to commercial kitchens in bakeries.
No.

Your rights are inherent. They are not on loan to you from a fictional entity known as government.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:51 AM
 
9,254 posts, read 3,589,174 times
Reputation: 4852
Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
Health codes and safety statutes are not consensual agreements.

A landlord/renter agreement is consensual.

Start from there.
If you operate a business, you are required to abide by health and safety codes. Do you also disagree with the Constitutionality of those codes?

If you breach a contract such as a lease, you may be taken to a government-operated Court, have a money judgment entered against you, evicted, and forcibly removed from your leasehold by a marshal. Do you disagree that the government should have the power to do that?
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:56 AM
 
Location: CT
3,440 posts, read 2,528,780 times
Reputation: 4639
If it's a private their business, they should have the right to conduct their business any way they wish, whether it's social or religious. Let's say a shop opens and the proprietor refuses to serve black people, then their only customer will be racists, can their business survive vs a non discriminatory business? That's the price and consequence of free enterprise.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
36,853 posts, read 17,373,891 times
Reputation: 14459
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEPLimey View Post
If you operate a business, you are required to abide by health and safety codes. Do you also disagree with the Constitutionality of those codes?

If you breach a contract such as a lease, you may be taken to a government-operated Court, have a money judgment entered against you, evicted, and forcibly removed from your leasehold by a marshal. Do you disagree that the government should have the power to do that?
No and no.

I never signed the Constitution.

And as I've so eloquently stated numerous times on this forum flying out of a vagina does not equate to consent.

In a free society an agreed upon resolution council would hear contractual disputes.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.



All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top