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Old 08-24-2017, 03:45 PM
 
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I guess at least we'll see mtl1, nononsenseguy, steven_h and a few others come down solidly in favor of net neutrality now, right?
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Time to bring back the monopoly breakups.

I think that you mean that liberal-controlled monopolies should be broken up. From your past messages, I'd think you would favor ultra-right organizations having all the monopoly they wanted. If all monopolies were fragmented, the more numerous conservative ones would be hit much harder.
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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Sorry, if FB continues this they will go the way of myspace when a more open less intrusive platform takes their place.
Wow. Like, a market mechanism? Isn't your crowd normally all about letting the power of the free market settle these things?

XKCD makes it simple: https://xkcd.com/1357/
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Old 08-24-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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Time to bring back the monopoly breakups.
This is why nobody should believe you guys when you talk about small government. You don't want small government at all. You simply want government that enforces your will.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Private companies. Their decision.

Having said that, I'm sure the government has bastardized the market to benefit the highest bidder.

This issue isn't exclusive to high-tech/social media though.

As always, end the State and let the free market do as it wishes.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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XKCD makes it simple: https://xkcd.com/1357/
Yah, simple-minded. I've seen that one dozens of times. I have two of his books. But I don't believe that little cartoon is an adequate guide to the next, say, 100 years as technologies we can hardly imagine today come to dominate waking life and the companies that "own" them come to dominate the world. Do you?
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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This is why nobody should believe you guys when you talk about small government. You don't want small government at all. You simply want government that enforces your will.
Agreed.

I don't want the government to make or break monopolies.

I want the government to take a long walk on a short pier.
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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Alot of the reason you saw the rise of of Google and Facebook was the government sued Microsoft for tying its web browser to its Windows operating system to wipe out rival Netscape . Microsoft was really never the same ,you had Gates step down and it slowed Microsoft’s ability to dominate the internet and allow more start up and innovation

The same thing is happening now as the companies grow more gargantuan and these companies more powerful, the ability of startups to succeed decline. This is what taplin write about in his book Move Fast and Break Things: How Facebook, Google, and Amazon Cornered Culture and Undermined Democracy

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...d-break-things

He sees market concentration and monopoly " as the culprit behind some of the U.S. economy’s most persistent ailments—the decline of workers’ share of national income, the rise of inequality, the decrease in business startups, the dearth of job creation, and the fall in research and development spending."

Alot of these tech giants dont even employ that many people.At&t was broken up and it employs well over ten times the amount of people as facebook does and 3.5 times the amount google employs . Of course At&T is becoming even more gargantuan as well.

Taplin suggests that authorities look to 1956, when the U.S. forced Bell Labs to license its patents to all comers. The result was a ton of innovation (semiconductors, solar cells, lasers, cell phones, computer languages, and satellites) commercialized by new companies (Fairchild Semiconductor International, Motorola, Intel, and Texas Instruments) and the formation of Silicon Valley

Silicon valley and the internet also came about with alot of taxpayer funded military research
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:10 PM
 
Location: NY/LA
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Sorry, if FB continues this they will go the way of myspace when a more open less intrusive platform takes their place.
So if they're going to go the way of MySpace, then why do you need government intervention?
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Old 08-24-2017, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I don't remember reading in the Constitution that free speech only applied if you owned the printing press. Speech can be written or oral. If written, and one has access to an open forum such as a medium like Facebook, I don't think Facebook should be allowed to take your post down simply on the basis that they don't like the message. Vulgarity, etc. is another matter.

I have a friend on Facebook who often writes about Islam. She has been put in "Facebook jail" numerous times simply because Facebook doesn't like her opinion of Islam.
Most social media like Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are very far left, and censor speech they do not like. It is another place where a huge amount of information is exchanged, but they don't allow freedom of speech of it isn't far left, liberal/progressive. So you are only getting one side of any issues. Norcal, and San Francisco/silicon valley is now controlling a large content of our speech. Not good.
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