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I didn't say anything about "right-wing". I just disagreed with the claim that the pioneers weren't traditionalists. However, I also disagree with your false dichotomy between "traditionalists" and "progressives". Progress comes from building on tradition, not from destroying it.
I didn't say anything about "right-wing". I just disagreed with the claim that the pioneers weren't traditionalists. However, I also disagree with your false dichotomy between "traditionalists" and "progressives". Progress comes from building on tradition, not from destroying it.
Interesting. I've mostly heard about Vint Cerf, Davies, etc. I look forward to reading more about these contributions.
You posted that "The right did build its own platforms like the Internet". How are you differentiating between the right and right-wing?
I would also say that progress comes more from building on previous "knowledge" than "traditions". I think traditions connotes more of a generational transfer of culture or beliefs that are not necessarily rooted in science or objective reasoning.
The right did build its own platforms like the Internet and every subsidiary technology that led to it. The problem is that anything that individualists create will eventually be hijacked by groupists.
You appear to have missed Tim Berners-Lee skewering Trump's Internet legislation - you know, letting ISPs gather and sell your search data. Or Vint Cerf letting Ajit Pai have it on the subject of Net Neutrality.
That's hysterical considering we have the biggest liar in history in the Whitehouse
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The Right just wants to be left alone to continue building on what they have built.
Is that why the right enacts laws to discriminate against others, like Gays, Trans, immigrants, women's rights? Hardly. The right wants to oppress us all with their onerous religious believes. They are ISIS, praying to a different god.
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This is what the term "progressive" should mean. The Left wants to unleash the forces of entropy to tear things down. As Michael Ledeen said, "Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our own society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law."
Uh-huh. That's why you're on here complaining about all these companies the progressives built, because um, the left only knows how to tear stuff down. You want to tear stuff down? How about attempting to decimate our national monuments? Our school system? The environment for god's sake. That's the Republicans, as Bannon would say, "Tear it all Down"
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The Right believes in freedom of association, freedom to separate, and self-government. The right believes in live-and-let-live, while the Left believes in a worldwide empire and a boot stamping on a human face — forever.
The right believes in stifling humans rights of everyone who isn't a white Christian male. That and stealing from the poor to give to the rich.
I didn't say anything about "right-wing". I just disagreed with the claim that the pioneers weren't traditionalists. However, I also disagree with your false dichotomy between "traditionalists" and "progressives". Progress comes from building on tradition, not from destroying it.
Did you even read your own link? It's an essay on the role of Noyce in the building of Silicon Valley. Here's a paragraph.
I didn't say anything about "right-wing". I just disagreed with the claim that the pioneers weren't traditionalists. However, I also disagree with your false dichotomy between "traditionalists" and "progressives". Progress comes from building on tradition, not from destroying it.
Military research was the prime mover, arpanet in 1969 linked mainframes at universities, government agencies, and defense contractors around the country.
Military research created much of the encryption technology that people uselike TOR, created SSL and the RSA algorithm and had a hand in funding everything from the laser to UNIX.
Darpa now attracts the greatest engineers in the country, its not this guy in his garage crap , it big money research and universities and military research especially.
Its not even just silicon valley, when the U.S. forced Bell Labs to license its patents to all comers. The result was a ton of innovation (semiconductors, solar cells, lasers, cell phones, computer languages, and satellites) commercialized by new companies (Fairchild Semiconductor International, Motorola, Intel, and Texas Instruments) and really was the the formation of Silicon Valley. You just dont hear as much about at&t research because its in dallas and not the liberal bay area.
"Bell Labs invented the laser, microwave, UNIX, C, C++, semiconductor, laser, and cell phones. Their engineers also showed that physicists were right about the Big Bang when they found the radiation left behind due to that (The noise was messing up their antennae.). Many of the problems that Bell worked to solve were for the US Military
Military research was the prime mover, arpanet in 1969 linked mainframes at universities, government agencies, and defense contractors around the country.
Military research created much of the encryption technology that people uselike TOR, created SSL and the RSA algorithm and had a hand in funding everything from the laser to UNIX.
Darpa now attracts the greatest engineers in the country, its not this guy in his garage crap , it big money research and universities and military research especially.
Its not even just silicon valley, when the U.S. forced Bell Labs to license its patents to all comers. The result was a ton of innovation (semiconductors, solar cells, lasers, cell phones, computer languages, and satellites) commercialized by new companies (Fairchild Semiconductor International, Motorola, Intel, and Texas Instruments) and really was the the formation of Silicon Valley. You just dont hear as much about at&t research because its in dallas and not the liberal bay area.
"Bell Labs invented the laser, microwave, UNIX, C, C++, semiconductor, laser, and cell phones. Their engineers also showed that physicists were right about the Big Bang when they found the radiation left behind due to that (The noise was messing up their antennae.). Many of the problems that Bell worked to solve were for the US Military
I still need to read the other article, but what does it matter if the military funds it? The military funds lots of projects that academics work on today, and what do you think are the politics of these researchers at schools like Stanford, Berkeley and MIT?
I still need to read the other article, but what does it matter if the military funds it? The military funds lots of projects that academics work on today, and what do you think are the politics of these researchers at schools like Stanford, Berkeley and MIT?
Exactly. I failed to see the relevance of Florida's post. Bell Labs is in New Jersery, an overwhelmingly democratic state. Ditto with Mass, where JCR Licklider who worked at MIT and BB&N, both in Camebridge which is as left as SF. Which is why I call BS on hbdwihdh378y9's assertion that Licklider was right-wing. Highly unlikely, but I can find nothing on his politics.
The first four nodes of the ARPANET were in universities, three of which were in California. While the ARPANET was government funded, all of the research was being done at west coast and east coast universities.
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