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Old 08-26-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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There have been many pardons that I disagreed with in the past, sorry but stating that there were worse pardons in the past is no defense for this one. The legal system wasn't even allowed to run its course. Besides this reinforces trumps anti immigrant views. Going back in time looking for an excuse doesn't make a case for Arpaio's behavior.

being against ILLEGAL immigration, against Drug Cartels and their violence and being against violent gangs that come across the border illegally like MS-13 who have over 70,000 gang membership and is an organized crime that operates from Central America to the U.S.A and Canada and they do murders, kidnapping, rape, beatings and are into child prostitution is being "ANTI-IMMIGRANT"?


We have to put in perspective what the Sheriff had to deal with No help from the Obama administration or W Bush before that. This was a political prosecution by the Obama's justice department and he should had never been prosecuted under the circumstances especially Obama running guns to Mexico in the Fast and the Furious scandal, same guns that the drug cartels and gangs brought back across the border to put our cities and towns through hell and this Sherriff had the balls to take on all that with no support of Obama.

if Obama did his job, Sheriff didn't have to be aggressive in dealing with this crisis.

 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:09 PM
 
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You realize that supporting Trump and that idiot Sherriff Joe basically means you feel it's OK to break the law, provided the far-right is OK with it and a president that has no respect for the law is around to pardon you? OK, good to know. Clearly an example of the "patriotism" of the far-right.
Pot meet kettle.

Just in the first 5 1/2 years of his Presidency, Obama had twice as many unanimous SCOTUS reversals as Bush 43 had in 8 years, and 25% more than Clinton had in 8 years:

| National Review
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:11 PM
 
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FDR is admired for many of the programs he started, but what he did to Japanese Americans is a stain on his legacy, and always will be.

if Trump or any conservative did what FDR did by putting Japanese-Americans in concentratioon camps , there would be a lot more than just a stain on their legacy....more like tear down Presidential libraries after their names and monuments and put in the history books that they were flat out racists and Nazis.
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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I'm not celebrating his pardon. In fact, it's more of a protest because I don't feel presidents should have such a free reign.

However, this pardon is soooooo far from making the top 10 it's sad. I mean really really sad.

Hopefully, you're under 40 or so and just can't remember the Clinton pardons as he left office.

I generally like Bill Clinton, just not everything he did. Even he admits his pardons stained his legacy.

Go read up.
I don't disagree with your thoughts, there are people who do deserve pardons but they shouldn't be presents handed out to friends or the result of pay to play as happens with many pardons.

They should be used on their merits AND there should be a limit on how many so the person handing them out has to use them with some restraint.
Personally I think it was a waste of a pardon and political capital, I don't think Joe would have seen the inside of a jail anyway.
At the very least Trump should've waited until sentencing and all appeals were used up. Joe might have croaked before the appeals were heard or, he might have gotten that jury trial.
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:20 PM
 
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but FDR is still the darling of the left.
FDR moved Socialism forward at warp speed. Plus when a leftist hero does something racist its excused. Imagine if it had been a republican president who interned the Japanese. The statues would be coming down as we speak.
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
There have been many pardons that I disagreed with in the past, sorry but stating that there were worse pardons in the past is no defense for this one. The legal system wasn't even allowed to run its course. Besides this reinforces trumps anti immigrant views. Going back in time looking for an excuse doesn't make a case for Arapaio's behavior.
No, it enforces his anti-ILLEGAL immigrant point of view.
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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So, a sheriff illegally rounds up aliens and puts them in a 'tent city' in the Arizona heat! (illegal aliens or not, the way HE did it was still illegal!)

A federal court says he rounded them up illegally, and tells sheriff to take a chill pill! A W appointed federal court, at that!

Sheriff defies the court order, and that federal judge (a W man!) holds him in contempt! But he still gets pardoned!

Is that correct......?
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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He wasn't on the jury. And the jury deemed him guilty.

No excuses.
Wrong.

Arpaio didn't have a jury trial. A judge found him guilty.

He was denied a jury trial

https://stream.org/judge-not-jury-sh...arpaio-guilty/
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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Wrong.

Arpaio didn't have a jury trial. A judge found him guilty.

He was denied a jury trial

https://stream.org/judge-not-jury-sh...arpaio-guilty/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all his appeals were denied, correct.....?
 
Old 08-26-2017, 07:43 PM
 
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the judge denied him a jury trial because this was obviously political......no way a jury of 12 Arizona Citizens would find him guilty....the worst case is a hung jury.

but he had every right to ask for a jury trial if the charges are criminal....he was denied that.
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