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Old 08-31-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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I would love to know what the women that voted for trump think about this.
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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WhoTF designed that link, Sesame Street?
This link given above (and listed again) is from the United States Department of Labor.

https://www.dol.gov/wb/images/EqualPay_infographic.pdf

I guess some people might feel that the government is currently "Sesame Street" but that's a different issue.
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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Good.

I worked for years in the gov dealing with the EEO-1 reports, this rule was absurd and would have done nothing other than place a burden on employers getting the data.

The data is useless to come to any conclusion regarding pay equity at a company. This rule was passed as nothing more than a "pat on the back" with zero consideration if it does anything productive (which it does not).
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:24 PM
 
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One of the most repeated, yet debunked lies ever propagated.
This is very interesting. So, the statistics above is from the United States Department of Labor, a government agency.

By saying that this is a debunked lie, you are actually saying that the U.S. Government is a liar.

Hmmm, so does it follow then that the current government leader is also a liar and unbelievable?

I get so confused by stuff like this. It's like you're arguing with yourself.
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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WhoTF designed that link, Sesame Street?
what? you don't like that hi-resolution table?

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Old 08-31-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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Yesterday the Trump administration halted a key equal pay initiative put in place by the Obama administration.

"The scrapped provision would have required large employers to report aggregate information on how much they pay workers ― broken down by gender, race and ethnicity ― and would have been a critical first step in figuring out the scope of the pay gap at different companies.

On average, women in the U.S. are paid 80 cents for every dollar men earn, according to federal data. The pay gap for women of color is even worse. Hispanic women earn 54 cents on the dollar, while black women make 63 cents. Even when researchers analyze the data and account for differences in education and time spent in the labor force, the wage gap persists. "

Guess equal pay for equal work isn't a Trump administration policy.

With Ivanka Trump's Blessing, White House Ditches Equal Pay Rule | HuffPost
What was the pay gap after consideration and accounting for all the variables ? Any links to that ?
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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Good.

I worked for years in the gov dealing with the EEO-1 reports, this rule was absurd and would have done nothing other than place a burden on employers getting the data.

The data is useless to come to any conclusion regarding pay equity at a company. This rule was passed as nothing more than a "pat on the back" with zero consideration if it does anything productive (which it does not).
What burden? lol Anyone with an Excel spreadsheet could report that data with a few hours or maybe a few days of work depending on the size of the business.

No one can conclude definitively at this point if it would or would not be "productive" to have that data, but it certainly wouldn't hurt. There is still a persistent gender pay gap, and although the reasons for it are no doubt complex, it certainly would be helpful to have data out in the open to analyze. You can't fix a problem if you don't have the data. Anything that can be done to encourage employers to pay people equitably should be done.

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Old 08-31-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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Here's some more data from the United States Department of Labor. This takes a look at different occupations. What the data shows is that, indeed, in some professions, the gap between women and men is smaller than in others.

https://blog.dol.gov/2017/03/01/12-s...-working-women


So, the gap does continue to exist. What might be a better discussion is not whether the Obama rules should be eliminated, but rather how they should be improved or strengthened, since obviously there is still a way to go.

Just like Obama care has loop holes and downsides, we can always do better. But to just dismiss the issue as "Sesame Street" because you didn't like Obama is silly.
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Can you please specify where this data comes from? Is it the United States Department of Labor?



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what? you don't like that hi-resolution table?
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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What was the pay gap after consideration and accounting for all the variables ?
You can't account for ALL variables, in anything. It's a complex issue. The two links I provided show some general trends and highlight some of the reasons for the persistent gender pay gap.

But as far as I know there is NO profession, including those typically dominated by women, in which women as a group make on average more than their male co-workers. By the Department of Labor fact sheet, the profession that comes closest is "Maids, Housekeepers, and Cleaners" in which women make an average 99 cents for every dollar earned by men in that profession.

https://www.dol.gov/wb/images/EqualPay_infographic.pdf
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