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View Poll Results: Is baking a cake a religious act?
YES 13 15.85%
NO 69 84.15%
Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-12-2017, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Bottom line:

If you're operating business that serves the public, then that's what you need to do. You aren't allowed to pick out certain groups that you decide not to serve.

Your hatred is private

Your business is public.

There IS a way to circumvent this, if your hatred is so overwhelming that it floods your love of money.

Operate your business as a "club" with service/products available to "members only" who pay a membership fee.

Carry on.






Why do you assume this is based on "hatred"?

Are you really that small minded that you can't see or accommodate someone's point of view without rubber stamping anything you disagree with as "hate"?

 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:33 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Why do you assume this is based on "hatred"?
always count on the left to misuse words until they completely lose their meaning.

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Are you really that small minded that you can't see or accommodate someone's point of view without rubber stamping anything you disagree with as "hate"?
bellowing about imaginary 'hatred' and posting insipid smilie faces and dumb links has become a way of life for some.
 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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Not the cake itself, but the decorations could be. If some liberal ordered a cake decorated with a statue of white cop beating up a black thug, the baker has a right to refuse putting that decoration on. But I think they are obligated to make the cake itself with standard frosting.
So I guess the take away from all of this is that if a gay couple contracts for a wedding cake, the salient point for the Christian baker is that he refuses to put two grooms (or two brides) on top of it because it violates his beliefs against gay marriage?
 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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And yet the Muslim bakeries also refuse but the MSM isn't giving them any grief.

Video puts Muslim bakeries, florists in gay-rights spotlight - Washington Times
 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Would those who condemn a Christian business owner for refusing to contribute his labor to a gay wedding be willing to contribute your labor for a female circumcision? Yes one is legal and one isn't (yet), but both examples are about tolerance for another's religion or cultural beliefs.
 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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If you sell a car, do you get to tell the purchaser where they get to drive with it?
If you know someone is going to use the car that you sell them to run over protesters...

Do you have an obligation to sell it to them?
 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:45 AM
 
Location: My House
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So if you want to sell cars for a living, you must first ask permi$$ion from the state, and if granted permi$$ion, you must sell a car to whoever the state says? What part of the business does the car dealer own again?
States control commerce. The dealer owns the inventory, the buildings (or maybe they lease), their advertising campaigns, etc. They just cannot violate state/local guidelines and keep an operator's license.

Much in the same way individuals cannot keep a driver's license if they violate driving laws.
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:46 AM
 
Location: My House
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I was referring to deed restrictions that limited the ownership of a house by declaring that all future ownership must meet a certain "acceptable" racial profile. These deed restrictions were rampant in the first part of the 20th Century, up until the Supreme Court declared them unconstitutional in Shelley v Kraemer (1948).

As for a For Sale By Owner, IMO it could get slippery - the seller, if it's obvious that the matter of the potential buyer's race, religion, ethnic origin, or sexual orientation played a part in the decision to not sell, could open the seller to a lawsuit.
Agree. Which is why one might want to put the word out to friends they'd be willing to sell TO.

No need to put up a sign.
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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And yet the Muslim bakeries also refuse but the MSM isn't giving them any grief.

Video puts Muslim bakeries, florists in gay-rights spotlight - Washington Times
The Washington Times isn't part of the MSM?
 
Old 09-12-2017, 08:48 AM
 
Location: My House
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Possibly...... but the difference is when they do know.

Remember, the bakers didn't refuse service to people because they were gay.....

They refused to knowingly participate in a gay wedding.

They would have happily made a gay customer a birthday cake.
But, the bakers aren't participating in the wedding. They're selling them a cake.

The cake isn't even part of the wedding. It's part of a party for two gay people that they have after they get married (the reception).

Receptions aren't even religious and often are not held anywhere near a church.
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