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If the female circumcision was legal and they simply asked for a cake to be baked, I might not like them and I don't know if I'd even be particularly nice to them, but I would not refuse to bake a cake. Money is money and a cake doesn't help a person perform a ceremony I disagree with.
What if you were a surgical nurse and an employee of a hospital and required by law to assist the surgeon in a female circumcision?
So I guess the take away from all of this is that if a gay couple contracts for a wedding cake, the salient point for the Christian baker is that he refuses to put two grooms (or two brides) on top of it because it violates his beliefs against gay marriage?
Here's an idea. Why not familiarize yourself with the case before spouting nonsense.
The Supreme Court didn't agree to accept the case over two grooms on a cake. The salient points are Constitutional issues.
Not really. This thread isn't about taking on state laws. It's about what one can do, legally.
If you don't like the laws, go try to change them. State, federal, whatever you want to tackle. This thread is about whether or not baking a cake is religious.
No. It is not.
Not unless someone's method of baking differs from the method employed by the majority of the world, no... it's not religious.
Don't pretend this thread is about whether or not baking a cake is religious. When you write the thread is 'about what one can do, legally,' you're admitting there's more to it than the goofy question. It's obviously about the baker in the Supreme Court case.
The Supreme Court will decide whether the baker did was legal.
I'd either do my job or find another one. If I found another job, I'd probably start lobbying to change that law.
Interesting. If I was a surgical nurse, I would refuse on moral principle to assist a doctor in the surgical mutilation of a girl's genitals. Without a doubt. Finding another job would be moot if assisting in surgeries for female genital mutilation was a common part of surgical nurse's job.
The question to be answered by law going forward is whose religious/cultural rights prevail when religious/cultural rights between parties are in direct conflict? This issue isn't just about cakes.
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So I guess the take away from all of this is that if a gay couple contracts for a wedding cake, the salient point for the Christian baker is that he refuses to put two grooms (or two brides) on top of it because it violates his beliefs against gay marriage?
Sort of......
His objection is that he sees knowingly making the cake for a gay wedding as actively participating in that wedding.
If you disagree with that, consider that a gun store that knowingly sells a weapon to someone that they know is going to commit a crime with it is also liable for the crime.
As others have said, the Poll is very, very flawed, and meaningless. The question should be 'Does the state have a right to override, and control PRIVATE business decisions based on a person's religious beliefs?
As others have said, the Poll is very, very flawed, and meaningless. The question should be 'Does the state have a right to override, and control PRIVATE business decisions based on a person's religious beliefs?
But, the bakers aren't participating in the wedding. They're selling them a cake.
The cake isn't even part of the wedding. It's part of a party for two gay people that they have after they get married (the reception).
Receptions aren't even religious and often are not held anywhere near a church.
It doesn't matter that you don't see it as participation.
What matters is that they do.
The same way that a bartender who serves a drunk is participating in that drunk's behavior afterwards.
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