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That's a lot of straw men you have there, which means your position on this issue it wafer thin.
It does not mater what your skin color is when you burn the flag, or kneel during the national anthem. This is not about race or skin color. Where do you people get this twisted crap from?
Well, since there is an underlying theme to what Trump says and repeats, he is either monumentally naive or carefully crafting his message. Since he comes out with these stances on the NFL or transgenders in the military as complete non-sequiturs at the most opportune time to redirect attention from;
-His former campaign manager's home being raided by the FBI
-His health care bill failing for the 3rd time (and I use the the term "his" loosely since he couldn't tell you thing one about the current bill that does not come close to covering everyone, covering pre-existing conditions, at a fraction of the cost and the government is going to pay for it all)
-The news that at least 6 people in his administration are using private email addresses in the job (the very crux of what he claimed Clinton was using a private email server to do - hide who and what is being communicated and to whom)
He is using these distractions to divide and preoccupy people from his real issues, which now matter what he thinks, are not being derailed. Robert Muller and his team is not being distracted and is quietly working in the background. I wonder what Trump's next distraction will be...
And sorry to inform you and others, players no longer just "work" for sports team owners, especially in MBL, the NBA and the NFL. Players know that their respective leagues can't exist or make money without them and they now have an equity stake in the games and over the owners using their images and likenesses to make money. So no, they can't just be fired. Funny how most of the players and owners are together on this one, even those who are friends and donors to Trump. Trump can't beat Kraft's statement of disappointment in or Jerry Jones and other owners on the field with their teams.
People are more upset about the players then Equifax losing their social security number. Smh. People who think they are protesting the flag, probably think Rosa Parks was protesting public transit lol.
Why does Trump feel the need to speak out against what employees of private companies are doing?
Isn't he desperately trying to get a win on healthcare? Isn't he aiming for yuge tax breaks? Isn't Little Kim threatening nuclear war?
But no, let's stand behind the podium as President of the United States and refer to fellow Americans as "sons of *******."
How embarrassing. The Divider in Chief 71 going on 17.
This is a classic case of deflecting from real problems. Things are heating up in other areas and he'd rather get the masses focused on this crap. Healthcare, Hurricane relief, North Korea, Wall, Russia. He is manufacturing political unrest in the country by weighing in and trying to over emphasize the results of why some of these protests (taking the knee) started in the first place. Everyone is looking at the effect and not the root cause. I guess the root cause is/has been lost in translation and doesn't matter or never did.
I WAS around back then. Were you? Do not conflate a real man like Bill Rusell, who let his actions on and off the court speak for the rights of black men to be respected and treated with dignity, with a clown, braggart, and traitor like Ali, who joined a fake religion, insulted our soldiers in Vietnam, and made taunting and poor sportsmanship the standard behavior for athletes.
You're damn right today's players should shut up and play ball. That is what they are paid for -- and quite handsomely. Maybe if they tried it, people would respect them as professionals instead of feeling and expressing the contempt in which they are now held.
Funny if you are a fan of Trump's taunting and poor sportsmanship you have no moral authority to criticize Ali. Your opinion about him is now the minority. And he didn't disrespect Vietnam soldiers, he said the reason for the war was crap. Nice try though.
The NFL has a lot of issues. First you have all the players who have assaulted women. Aaron Hernandez killing people. All the players screwed up for life due to brain injuries and now this kneeling issue. I am sure the owners and Goddell don't want the players doing this. This solidarity for this is all just PR.
I don't get how one makes the connection between disrespecting the country and flag and something a few bad cops have done. There are much better ways to achieve whatever it is they are trying to achieve.
I think Trump went too far in wanting the players fired but just as the players can do what they want NFL fans can turn off the TV, stop buying tickets and NFL gear.
I personally will no longer buy tickets or NFL licensed items. Never again. I will watch some games but also take note of the advertisers and not buy those products.
There is a lot of wrong on both sides. It is sad because I just want to watch some games. It is an escape from all the BS in the world. But now pro sports are totally infected with all this political nonsense and I personally have had enough of it.
Who is your choice really going to impact, other than you.
Parents will still take their kids to Sports practices, people will still go to games, and people will still buy Sports Products. Sports was here long before ones birth and will be here long after one has died.
People probably said the same kind of stuff the minute that Jackie Robinson entered Baseball, and they likely had a hissy fit, when Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain Changed the game of basketball.
I doubt that many people who can't and don't want to understand the issue at hand and try their best to turn it into something is, they are not going to make much difference in the world of sports or society as a whole for that matter, because people "see right through their aims".
It's not a big problem for much of American, we've seen it all before. We saw the vile when MLK Marched, and Every Time He Marched, Every word he said was twisted and any kind of bias commentary was made about him, The same has been done against any and every black person that has ever spoken up. So white biased anguish is nothing new, its been a symptom of their disunity mentality for 100's of years, so them trying to twist this, will be seen just as their other malice minded aims to twist the narrative when black people speak. The world moves on, and those of such mindset keep spinning in the past, trying to claim some white dominance and recapture a time when they could "bully stop around" and use the police to attack, intimidate and indulge in brutality and murder of black people.
There is not one.... not one single black person that is prominent in American who has not been attacked with some nature of biased driven race based aims.
Liberal Whites have known this craziness went on for a very long time, that why it was Liberal White People who Created the NAACP... to combat white racism, hanging and police brutality and other civil rights violation upon and against people of color.
Most of American society and much of Society around the world, don't care what race minded white people say, and if they try and do anything, we have a legal system that can give them exactly the incarceration time they need for their aggression's upon and against others.
As to Retailers, no body is going to panic you or other of like mind do not buy a product, as it is today, products are sold on the International Market, and America has 300 million people, and likely extracting children and elder, that leaves what maybe 170-200 million, who are dominant consumers, when globally, China has 1.3-5 Billion people, and in only 35 or so years, they have turned over 300 million into active consumers. Equally so, there is a global mass of more than 7 billion people..
What likely has many race minded whites upset is, they are no longer looked to as a model for anything except contempt and conflict and encroachments, so the world is not trying to emulate the white image any longer. The liberal minded people here in America, don't want anything to do with the historical image that has been cast upon them, and they make it know, they are not going to submit themselves to be grouped in and identified with the race bias, and contempt promoter, and those who thrive on conflict and encroachments.
The average white people in general society today, have a life to live and a world to interact with, of all people, they don't have time, nor do they want time, to be dealing with bigotry groomed from the past, they don't want the race bias of the past to interfere with the diversity they are building with their lives.
In 25 yrs, most of those who seek out aims to promote that anguish because they can't be the bigots of the past and the race driven segregationist of the past, are aging fast and they will die out, those kids they are trying to infect now, will have kids, and those kids will do just as many did after the Civil Rights Bill Passed, they got as far from their parners as they could and made use to distance themselves from any who held on to the racist mentalities. Some detested it so much, they would not even come back and inherit a business, they let it crash and sold off the land and the business, and in some cases let the houses sit and decay rather than to be around anything that reminded them of their ancestral system that promoted racism.
Maybe some of you should look around, many young white people "just want to live" and they want to experience as much as they can with other cultures and around the world, and within their environments. They want to be accepted as "just a person", they hurt at the thought of having to deal with the negativity of the racism of the past and how it makes hardships for them to simply be accepted as being non bias and non racist. People should really pay attention.
I see young rural white kids, they just want to interact, they don't want to play that game of race bias, in the stores, I can strike up a conversation and they are as engaging as any with no thought of a bunch of stuff from the past. These high profile wealthy people with mixed ethnicity relationship, it is not all about money, because you can go all across america and see some of the poorest people in American have functional and long term mixed ethnicity relations.
the era of the bigotry of white racist antagonizing America is coming to an end, Trump is like the last hurrah of the Era of Racial Bigotry and Ethnic Divisiveness. Trump Grew up in Jim Crow Ideology, that's all he talks about trying to return American to being. He tries it on Trade and in Government and in General Society, and he is becoming the most despised being in this modern day cycle of reality. The days of the white business man from America dictation terms of trade is "over" and the days of the white american business man going to other country and people kissing up to him, is over, but he refused to pay attention. The world is telling and has told him... that "if you come, come with diplomacy as a basis or go home" !!!
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The people of the world knows that America has the Best System of Governance on the Planet, and We have the Best System of Justice on the planet, and we have the Best Advances in Dealing with Civil Rights than any nation on the planet... and We have people who stand, speak out and stand up for others, and over time, America will continue to rid itself of those who disrupt the Civil and Civic Realism of people based on the protected categories our government supports.
It just feels like we've hit peak stupidity. You have conservatives who have been slowly tuning out of watching football because it's gotten too political, liberals who are claiming to boycott because it's not political enough, and players now kneeling because Trump said they should be fired for kneeling.
It seems like Colin Kaepernick, the guy who started this, is probably kind of over it and just wishes he could play. All the symbolic displays of solidarity and kudos on Twitter aren't going to give him a job.
Sometimes I wonder if people don't like Trump because he dares the Left to play by their own rules. Meaning, if this was a white player who happened to harbor White Nationalist views and wanted to express those on the field during the national anthem, or hell even if it was just on Twitter, most of Trump's detractors would have no problem with that player being cut because That's Not Who We Are.
But when players make gestures that people find offensive to the people who have fought and died for this country, those same people want us to suck it up and deal with it. They're the first ones to say, "everybody has a right to say what they want, but people have a right to react to it". This logic misses the point, which is that sometimes the freedom of speech supercedes our inherent tendency to be offended. Addressing comments you disagree with is one thing, but effectuating some sort of punishment because someone said something you don't like is just vindictive. That being said, the Left has been guilty of this plenty of times over the years. That might explain why we elected big mouth Trump. He talks trash and doesn't apologize, and now everyone wants to take the high road.
If I were Roger Gooddell, I'd just issue the following directive: "It is an NFL tradition to play the National Anthem before the start of each game. It is also a tradition for our players to stand and acknowledge this nation's flag and National Anthem before the start of each game. The NFL admires and respects the courage of the convictions of all our players, both current and former, but as a league that admiration extends to the men and women -- and their respective families -- serving in our Armed Forces who are tasked to fight, defend, and at times, make the ultimate sacrifice for the freedoms we enjoy. This sacrifice unites all of us under the banner of our flag and we do not take this fact lightly. Because of that, it is the policy of the NFL that our players pay their respects before the start of each game. Any gestures disregarding this message will be expressly prohibited and subject to penalty. The NFL encourages its players to engage in civic discourse and use their platform to speak to their convictions, whatever they may be, as it is their right as Americans. However, the stadium is not a place for discourse that may be divisive or incendiary on political grounds, because we in the business of football. We ask all of owners, players, and fans to remember that going forward."
It just feels like we've hit peak stupidity. You have conservatives who have been slowly tuning out of watching football because it's gotten too political, liberals who are claiming to boycott because it's not political enough, and players now kneeling because Trump said they should be fired for kneeling.
It seems like Colin Kaepernick, the guy who started this, is probably kind of over it and just wishes he could play. All the symbolic displays of solidarity and kudos on Twitter aren't going to give him a job.
Sometimes I wonder if people don't like Trump because he dares the Left to play by their own rules. Meaning, if this was a white player who happened to harbor White Nationalist views and wanted to express those on the field during the national anthem, or hell even if it was just on Twitter, most of Trump's detractors would have no problem with that player being cut because That's Not Who We Are.
But when players make gestures that people find offensive to the people who have fought and died for this country, those same people want us to suck it up and deal with it. They're the first ones to say, "everybody has a right to say what they want, but people have a right to react to it". This logic misses the point, which is that sometimes the freedom of speech supercedes our inherent tendency to be offended. Addressing comments you disagree with is one thing, but effectuating some sort of punishment because someone said something you don't like is just vindictive. That being said, the Left has been guilty of this plenty of times over the years. That might explain why we elected big mouth Trump. He talks trash and doesn't apologize, and now everyone wants to take the high road.
If I were Roger Gooddell, I'd just issue the following directive: "It is an NFL tradition to play the National Anthem before the start of each game. It is also a tradition for our players to stand and acknowledge this nation's flag and National Anthem before the start of each game. The NFL admires and respects the courage of the convictions of all our players, both current and former, but as a league that admiration extends to the men and women -- and their respective families -- serving in our Armed Forces who are tasked to fight, defend, and at times, make the ultimate sacrifice for the freedoms we enjoy. This sacrifice unites all of us under the banner of our flag and we do not take this fact lightly. Because of that, it is the policy of the NFL that our players pay their respects before the start of each game. Any gestures disregarding this message will be expressly prohibited and subject to penalty. The NFL encourages its players to engage in civic discourse and use their platform to speak to their convictions, whatever they may be, as it is their right as Americans. However, the stadium is not a place for discourse that may be divisive or incendiary on political grounds, because we in the business of football. We ask all of owners, players, and fans to remember that going forward."
Sounds great if you believe that vets really are offended by some men knelling as a way of expressing their belief that we need to make some improvements in the ways we treat each other. This Vet has no issue with them. Oh, most of them would not have even done this until Big Mouth opened his mouth again and shoved his big foot into it once again, seems to be his best trick.
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