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Old 10-11-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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The R's are probably going to ban them as a sacrificial gesture to avoid the discussion getting anywhere closer to the actual mechanical function of the firearms themselves. Of course everyone in here realizes that for anything to be banned at all in the current political environment it would need R support. I could be wrong, but watch and see.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Exactly. For myself and every firearm enthusiast/sportsman I know...none of us have ever used one, played around with one, bought one, etc.

I don't think of firearms as toys or party favors, so bump stock silliness is wildly ignorant imho. But banning a piece of molded plastic that anyone can print on a 3d printer is ridiculous.
It's only ridiculous to YOU.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It's only ridiculous to YOU.
It's ridiculous on its face. Bump fire can be replicated with rubberbands or even with your bare hands.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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It's ridiculous on its face. Bump fire can be replicated with rubberbands or even with your bare hands.
Again, you aren't talking in the leftist's language. No self-respecting lefty would ever care about your silly fact.

They aren't "just" banning bump-stocks - that's not what they are after. For now, they are banning anything that could possibly increase the rate of fire.

That means if you polish your trigger to make it smoother, that would be a felony.

The end goal is to ban semi-autos. Banning bump fire is just a ruse.

Leftists are vile but not stupid.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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It's only ridiculous to YOU.
No, banning something anyone can make with cheap materials and general knowledge...that is ridiculous.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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I don't have a gun and have never fired one, though I'd like to someday as I think it's a good skill to have when you need it. This video shows how using your belt loop works just as well.
As a Sport Shooter I do like them and is a waste of ammo. However this is just a for the moment product in the wrong hands. That being said any thing can be used as a weapon, gun, car bat and Kitchen Knife.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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No, banning something anyone can make with cheap materials and general knowledge...that is ridiculous.
Again, you aren't talking in the leftist's language. No self-respecting lefty would ever care about your silly fact.

They aren't "just" banning bump-stocks - that's not what they are after. For now, they are banning anything that could possibly increase the rate of fire.

That means if you polish your trigger to make it smoother, that would be a felony.

The end goal is to ban semi-autos. Banning bump fire is just a ruse.

Leftists are vile but not stupid.
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Old 10-11-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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I don't have a gun and have never fired one, though I'd like to someday as I think it's a good skill to have when you need it. This video shows how using your belt loop works just as well.
Did you watch the video? It does not work in a fashion that is even remotely similar to an automatic weapon.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Did you watch the video? It does not work in a fashion that is even remotely similar to an automatic weapon.
Different mechanisms that do exactly the same thing. An automatic mechanism is a little faster but so what.

The intent is the same. A mechanism that cycles the firing system repeatedly with a single initiation.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:47 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Different mechanisms that do exactly the same thing. An automatic mechanism is a little faster but so what.

The intent is the same. A mechanism that cycles the firing system repeatedly with a single initiation.
The NFA defines a "machine gun" or fully automatic weapon as, "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger;"

In other words, with a single pull of the trigger you can empty a magazine. A bump stock does not do this. A bump stock causes the finger to pull the trigger much faster than a person likely can on their own. A bump stock "mimics" a full auto weapon.

The bump stock was reviewed and interpreted correctly by the ATF, twice. To mimic an illegal act does not make it illegal. If a man mimics a rape but no rape occurs, he is not a rapist. If a man mimics killing someone but no homicide occurs, he is not a murderer. The list can go on and on. Mimic is not the act itself. You may break other laws when you mimic and then should be prosecuted accordingly.
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