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Originally Posted by fibonacci
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read about the FDA in my life.
I know multiple, highly educated scientists who work for the FDA as reviewers. It's unreal the amount of garbage and the level of deceit they see in applications from companies trying to sell snake oil. It would flat out terrifying if we never had the FDA. Unless of course you wanna revert back to China where they laced baby formula with things like melamine in order to make a cheap buck.
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the FDA is quite possibly the worst organization in our government and is one of the main reasons that healthcare is so expensive.
so a drug, prescribed in Canada(substitute any country), by Canadian doctors, approved in the Canada, is good enough for the Canada, but the FDA says no....is that a correct thing to do....NO.....but it happens all the time
the FDA (our GOVERNMENT) is a big culprit in this mess....and you want more government care....I suggest you really think about it
how is it going to change....when the government keeps renewing patents
let's look at a drug
Viagra-----
40 million men suffer from ED...40 million americans...that's more than the whole populations of the following countries:
Switzerland....8 mill
Canada.....36 mill..............hmm more americans suffer from ED, than there is the entire population of Canada
Denmark.... 5.5 mill
Norway.... 5.3 mill
When it comes to*buying 10 Viagra tablets of 100 milligrams each, costs are as follows at each of these chain pharmacies:in the USA....a tablet that is NEEDED to alleviate the issues of ED
CVS: $696.99 ($69.70 per tablet)
Walgreens: $720.99 ($72.10 per tablet)
Walmart: $691.11 ($69.11 per tablet)
the generic cost in the UK...sildenafil citrate (the active ingredient in Viagra) have fallen from £10 per pill (approximately US$15.30) to around £1 per pill (approximately US$1.53). even less in Canada
yet the FDA (our government) renewed the patent through 2020...meaning its ILLEGAL to sell a generic in the USA...ILLEGAL to import for any other country...even Canada
our government...will NOT have cheap health care.....NEVER..... everything our government puts its greedy hands on goes to crap
anyone arguing for singlepayer of UHC, is just fooling themselves
BTW...medicare/and medicaid deny Viagra.....so you can kiss the thought of lower prices away
the FDA (our government) is a major part of the problem
I was injured in Iraq..(my back)..the VA (government ) wanted FUSING, would not approve the disc replacement...yet BCBS (private ) would PAY FOR IT overseas (except for travel and lodging)it wasnt until dec 2004 that the fda approved it for single level...still the VA and tricare (government ) would not do it (said it was 'experimental'..even though it had been successful in Europe for nearly 3 decades)...FINALLY I won the battle against the government and had my back surgery in 2007
the lumbar DISC REPLACEMENT surgery was done in Europe for nearly 30 years before the FDA approved for it to be done here
and its BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT (especially the FDA)...believe me government care is not what the basic American wants
its the way the government works....and it sucks
here what I went through:
va patient needs a MRI...the government (va) NOPE use an xray...first time
2. xray doesn't show much..patient needs an MRI...the government (va) use the xray...you have DDD
3. patient doc I am in pain,,are you sure its DDD..doc the xray shows some funny spaces, could be DDD or could be something else...let's ask for a MRI..the government nope lets xray (each xray is RADIATING the person btw)...again funny spacing...must be DDD
4. same
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15 same
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23 same
23 times with the VA xray...its DDD(degenerative disc disease)
got to the doctor and PAY FOR THE MRI out of pocket...and we find out its... one CRUSHED disc, and 2 ruptured discs....now choices...the government(va) FUSION and still have pain, and limited movement(because at the time the FDA would not allow the replacement that had been being done in europe for 30 years)(the FDA finally approved single level artificial discs in 2004, (the va and tri-care refused saying it was 'experimental"))...or non-government(blue cross) which would have covered me to fly to Europe to get it (minus lodging and the airfair) .....4 years of big pain, before my battle was won against the government
other examples of medicines approved in other countries, but NOT THE USA
examples:
Nefopam. Injectable non-opioid, non-addicting painkiller, used very often in France for hospitalized patients....NOT FDA approved...
Metamizole...non-opioid, non-addicting painkiller, It is the perfect painkiller in-between of Paracetamol and Opioids. It does not have the serious side effects of nsaids and no dependency issues like Opioids but it has a quite strong analgetic potential also it is spasmolytic and helps a lot with pain after surgery and in surgical emergencies.....used throughout Europe, Canada, Australia....yet...NOT FDA approved...
yet you people keep saying how great these other countries are, and that we are behind.........we are behind, because of GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS