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Old 11-03-2017, 04:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Meanwhile in Washington, Democrats are supporting positions that increase population.

So weird.
no, that would be the conservatives with their policies on birth control and abortion, trying to outlaw both!

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Old 11-03-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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Yet one of the largest if not the largest polluter in the history of the planet is the US Fedguv.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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So?

Nothing will change. People will not change the way they live.
Perhaps not immediately. Change is possible, and when it comes from the top, it is possible to enact change.
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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Perhaps not immediately. Change is possible, and when it comes from the top, it is possible to enact change.
IOW government knows what’s better for you.

Maybe in liberal world and the lemmings that populate it.
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Old 11-03-2017, 05:22 PM
 
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So?

Nothing will change. People will not change the way they live.
They will when they get the daylights taxed out them for doing things the simple minded bureaucrats and experts for hire dont approve of.
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Old 11-03-2017, 05:37 PM
 
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IOW government knows what’s better for you.

Maybe in liberal world and the lemmings that populate it.
Not talking about government, necesarilly, but that's some good jumping to conclusions, bud.


People are going to eventually have to change regardless - our fuel sources are not unlimited. We WILL have to change.

We either try to change now, when it is well ahead of necessity based on availability...or we do it later. And if we do little to nothing about the fuel availability problem until it is time that there is no more fuel, that is a world I have zero interest in seeing come to be. We are generally short-sighted as a species, but we don't have to be.

I'd actually argue that both scenarios are "involuntary" for most. You personally may not be affected by these issues, but your children or their children will...why not think of them?


I'll personally do everything that I can to get off of fossil fuels as quickly as possible (at least, to the greatest degree that I can personally do so). And I'm not alone in that kind of thinking.

I don't care what the governments of the world are doing - I'm doing that because I think it is the best path forward looking at what the future holds for our species. I would like my descendants to have a better world than I had.
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Old 11-03-2017, 05:38 PM
 
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They will when they get the daylights taxed out them for doing things the simple minded bureaucrats and experts for hire dont approve of.
Then maybe some of us can force a change of government.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Meanwhile in Washington, Democrats are supporting positions that increase population.

So weird.
Such as birth control, family planning in third world countries, addressing infant mortality.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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They will when they get the daylights taxed out them for doing things the simple minded bureaucrats and experts for hire dont approve of.
If tax changes behavior in respect to fossil fuel consumption why is that a bad thing.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Such as birth control, family planning in third world countries, addressing infant mortality.
Expanded tax credits, welfare benefits, illegal immigration, subsidized housing....
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