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View Poll Results: What would be the most effective at curbing America’s gun violence?
More guns in the hands of more people 92 41.44%
Less guns in the hands of less people 130 58.56%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-08-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I commend your feelings on this issue.
As someone who works with teen girls, I see rape all too often- and the perpetuators often don't see them(the girls) as human beings but objects. All to often they pass as regular Joe's (since violence against women isn't regarded as important as it should be-look at the suspect in Sunday's shooting spree- his domestic violence history was not seen as a red flag important enough to prevent him from owning a weapon)...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/h...l-assault.html

And unfortunately the courts do seem to look at this as a "lesser" crime...

Its educating humans into relating with others as beings as is the most important- its more than just gun control but educating all of our children to be Kind to others, that rape, and coercion, is Wrong.

I had always regarded abusers and rapists as the lowest form of life on Earth. After becoming involved in couple group sessions for rape survivors and other aspects of counseling and therapy after my lady was attacked that low regard has turned to boiling hatred.


The attack itself triggered that actually, but when you hear other peoples stories and realize that there are so many of these animals out there it boggles my mind. That we have been seeing more and more women, to the point they outnumber men, coming through our CCW course does not surprise me. truly wish that my lady had a gun that night but she could not bring a gun to her work. She was a nurse. Hospital. "gun free zone." But she did what she had to with what she had.


The huge hospital parking area late at night was the hunting ground this fleabag chose. Gun free, but threat free. because of this sort of thing, and the alarming frequency with which they happen women are refusing to be easy prey. Women from all walks of life are coming through our class. Nurses, waitresses, accountants, bank tellers, casino workers, you name it. They all seem to share a common denominator for the most part though. Their professions and lifestyle finds them out after dark alone.


Some of the horrible stories I've heard involved multiple attackers, and rape was not the intent going n. But quickly turned that way because the animals saw an opportunity. But more and more women are refusing to be food. It's good to see, and I will keep on instructing in the course and teach as many women as I can to the very best of my abilitiy. The other instructors feel the same way.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:03 PM
 
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I had always regarded abusers and rapists as the lowest form of life on Earth. After becoming involved in couple group sessions for rape survivors and other aspects of counseling and therapy after my lady was attacked that low regard has turned to boiling hatred.


The attack itself triggered that actually, but when you hear other peoples stories and realize that there are so many of these animals out there it boggles my mind. That we have been seeing more and more women, to the point they outnumber men, coming through our CCW course does not surprise me. truly wish that my lady had a gun that night but she could not bring a gun to her work. She was a nurse. Hospital. "gun free zone." But she did what she had to with what she had.


The huge hospital parking area late at night was the hunting ground this fleabag chose. Gun free, but threat free. because of this sort of thing, and the alarming frequency with which they happen women are refusing to be easy prey. Women from all walks of life are coming through our class. Nurses, waitresses, accountants, bank tellers, casino workers, you name it. They all seem to share a common denominator for the most part though. Their professions and lifestyle finds them out after dark alone.


Some of the horrible stories I've heard involved multiple attackers, and rape was not the intent going n. But quickly turned that way because the animals saw an opportunity. But more and more women are refusing to be food. It's good to see, and I will keep on instructing in the course and teach as many women as I can to the very best of my abilitiy. The other instructors feel the same way.
I've posted the link here many times. When a man with a knife jumped into the car of a woman about to leave the gas station down the road from me, she put a slug in him, and he got a helicopter ride to the ER.

A gun can allow the smallest woman to defend herself against the largest man.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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What would be most effective? Only thoughts and prayers, apparently.
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Old 11-08-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: NC
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more guns...this clip is from an awesome movie, but focus on what happens between the timeframe 1min40s-2min10sec ... this is very real if everyone is armed people will be much more reasonable about starting trouble. everyone will pull the "just kidding" card.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrtEzkRRjSo&t=217s
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Old 11-08-2017, 10:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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What would be most effective? Only thoughts and prayers, apparently.
(sigh)

Since you keep ignoring the most likely effective solution no matter how many times it's presented, here it is once more for you.

There has been a solution available to us for years now. Centuries, in fact.

If all laws restricting gun ownership and carry were repealed, most people still wouldn't bother to carry a gun. But a few would. And some guy planning to mug an old lady, or assault someone at an ATM - or even shoot up a church in Texas - wouldn't know if someone in the crowd nearby was carrying in a pocket or purse. But he could be fairly sure that a one or two people were.

And some criminals would decide not to commit their crime in the first place because of that. Presto - a reduction in crime. And without a shot being fired.

And when a few truly insane ones go ahead and commit the crime anyway, let's just say they would be quickly distracted before they can do much of what they want. And for many, their recidivism rate goes down suddenly.

A good solution. Not perfect - it will never be perfect in a world of imperfect people. But it would produce far better and safer results than anything the so-called "gun control" advocate have ever offered.
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Old 11-08-2017, 11:26 PM
 
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(sigh)

Since you keep ignoring the most likely effective solution no matter how many times it's presented, here it is once more for you.

There has been a solution available to us for years now. Centuries, in fact.

If all laws restricting gun ownership and carry were repealed, most people still wouldn't bother to carry a gun. But a few would. And some guy planning to mug an old lady, or assault someone at an ATM - or even shoot up a church in Texas - wouldn't know if someone in the crowd nearby was carrying in a pocket or purse. But he could be fairly sure that a one or two people were.

And some criminals would decide not to commit their crime in the first place because of that. Presto - a reduction in crime. And without a shot being fired.

And when a few truly insane ones go ahead and commit the crime anyway, let's just say they would be quickly distracted before they can do much of what they want. And for many, their recidivism rate goes down suddenly.

A good solution. Not perfect - it will never be perfect in a world of imperfect people. But it would produce far better and safer results than anything the so-called "gun control" advocate have ever offered.
You do realize that this “solution” that you suggest is what we currently have, right? There are waaaaay more than just a “few” people that carry guns around already. There’s 300 million guns in the hands of citizens. 1 per person already. But here we are with daily mass shootings in this country.

You are right about one thing though. We are imperfect people. That’s why we need less guns.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: *
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You do realize that this “solution” that you suggest is what we currently have, right? There are waaaaay more than just a “few” people that carry guns around already. There’s 300 million guns in the hands of citizens. 1 per person already. But here we are with daily mass shootings in this country.

You are right about one thing though. We are imperfect people. That’s why we need less guns.
I think some folks seem to be recommending a 'laissez-faire' approach to the colllateral damage problem in re: to violence, American styled.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Take guns away and then the terrorists or lunatics will use cars, buses or trucks.
Thankfully an armed citizen in TX was able to prevent further carnage with his weapon. What we need is more hero's like this Texan.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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In Texas we had several failures of institutions, not least of which the Air Force, but also the justice system. People needed to do their job.

Secondly, I think we need a massive PR campaign along the lines of the anti-smoking campaign, with the simple message that guns are not toys. I have too many friends that do not take their weapons seriously & literally play with them like toys.

Part of the campaign should include encouragement for every gun owner to take legitimate shooting & self defense classes. I would support the government funding some of this.

A lot of the people who carry are not trained to respond at all to any kind of altercation & certainly not an active shooter situation. They are not even prepared to defend their person. Seriously, the required CCL training in my state is a 4-hour class down at the sheriff's dept. where they basically just tell you to be careful. I know some people who got CCL's in response to the stuff going on. God love em, but if I was attempting to rob them and they pulled the gun on me, I'm pretty confident I could just take it from them, because I know they hardly have any practice.

I'm not kidding. When I was in the Army, I remember in basic training, the drill sergeants would illustrate that all the time by taking a soldier's weapon, sometimes even when they were holding it, which would get the soldier into BIG trouble. One did it to me when we were training in the field and I never forgot it.
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Old 11-09-2017, 05:06 PM
 
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In Texas we had several failures of institutions, not least of which the Air Force, but also the justice system. People needed to do their job.

Secondly, I think we need a massive PR campaign along the lines of the anti-smoking campaign, with the simple message that guns are not toys. I have too many friends that do not take their weapons seriously & literally play with them like toys.

Part of the campaign should include encouragement for every gun owner to take legitimate shooting & self defense classes. I would support the government funding some of this.

A lot of the people who carry are not trained to respond at all to any kind of altercation & certainly not an active shooter situation. They are not even prepared to defend their person. Seriously, the required CCL training in my state is a 4-hour class down at the sheriff's dept. where they basically just tell you to be careful. I know some people who got CCL's in response to the stuff going on. God love em, but if I was attempting to rob them and they pulled the gun on me, I'm pretty confident I could just take it from them, because I know they hardly have any practice.

I'm not kidding. When I was in the Army, I remember in basic training, the drill sergeants would illustrate that all the time by taking a soldier's weapon, sometimes even when they were holding it, which would get the soldier into BIG trouble. One did it to me when we were training in the field and I never forgot it.
I'm quite sure you're not kidding.

While dentifying "several failures of institutions" you might as well as identify the so-called 'united states' are often working at crossed purposes. States' Rights of each the individual States are not as likely to present plausible & pragmatic solutions as one indivisible Union of States.

Not to mention the 'de facto' caste system here in the precariously United States of America.
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