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I know this question makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but nonetheless I think it's worth asking. In the wake of yet another rampage perpetrated by a deranged lunatic with an (assault) rifle, the question is going to be asked and one way or another the gun issue is going to be addressed. Let me preface this by saying I'm not a liberal anti-gun nut who ****s myself at the sight of a gun, but rather a gun owner and an ardent gun rights advocate. I abhor despotic Democrat-run states like New York and New Jersey that de facto prohibit all but the rich and politically connected from owning and carrying firearms. I abhor "gun-free zones" like schools, hospitals, and universities where occupants are disarmed and forced to be victims of an armed intruder. I think everyone who isn't deranged or a criminal should be allowed access to small arms without having to beg for permission and/or pay a ransom to the state. An armed society makes for a polite society. That statement has been proven time and again. Despite what the psychos from New York and California will tell you, most people are less likely to engage in anti-social behavior when they have to back up said behavior with their life.
That being said, as a rational thinking human being I also abhor the idea of a deranged lunatic going on a killing spree with an assault rifle. The system is supposed to keep criminals and mental ill from accessing deadly weapons, yet the very system has failed time and again. Spree killings are not only getting more and more frequent, but also more and more deadly. The first one I'm old enough to remember, that sent the nation into collective shock was Columbine, and sadly if that happened today it wouldn't even register as so many more deadly spree killings have taken place since. I've heard all of the arguments in favor or rifles and have made some of them in the past to the anti-gun left, but the more I think about the topic, the more specious the pro-rifle arguments appear to me.
First of all, the AR-15 is in neither a hunting rifle nor sporting rifle, it's an assault rifle. It was developed for the military for the purpose of cover fire. The variant sold to civilians is semi-automatic, while the models used by the military are select-fire. That's the only difference, otherwise they're one and the same. An AR-15 makes a poor choice for a hunting rifle and even worse for self-defense. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're going to shoot them with an AR-15? Do you not realize that even if you aim the rifle accurately the bullet has so much force that it will exit your target, go through a wall and kill one of your family members? The best weapon for home and self-defense is a pistol with hollow point ammo. You think you're going to use your rifle to fend off a government siege? Please, the government has enough manpower and firepower to wipe you off the face of the earth and every record that you ever existed. It's insane to think that you can fight the government with a rifle. Like I said before, the system can't seem to keep these weapons out of the hands of deranged people, so maybe it's time to take them off the market. I understand that they're fun to own and to operate, and I enjoy target shooting as much as the next person, but if we can't keep them out of the hands of crazy people, then perhaps we have the duty to get rid of them for the common good. Thoughts?
Citzens having AR 15s which are semi auto only versions of the current issue infantry rifle, is in complete keeping with the procedure our country has always followed. That the citizenry have the same type general issue rifle the military uses. It's been that way since the Charlleville musket through the Trapdoor Springfield, the 03 Springfield, M1 Garand, M14 (in semi auto M1A trim) and now the AR platform. In reality, the Grand and the M1A are FAR more "powerful" rifles and capable of much greater accuracy at long range.
Since you say you are a shooter I guess I'm preaching to the choir...so to speak? My question here does not involve the type of firearm these lunatics choose so much as what is t in our society that has changed so much in the last three decades that is breeding these nut jobs? This mass shooting thing has only become something we hear about all the time within that time frame. Since Patrick Purdey and the Stockton schoolyard shooting with an AK 47. It was the AK that was the demon for a long time, now it's the AR.
People have always been able to own the rifles (and handguns) currently in use by the military. There is absolutely nothing unusual or unheard of in that regard. But these common mass shooting are. They are a pretty new thing. So what is it that's getting into these people? t's not access to certain types of firearms that is the problem. There's nothing new going on in that regard that hasn't been going on for 250 years now. But something is different about people. Very different. So I voted NO in your poll.
Since you say you are a shooter I guess I'm preaching to the choir...so to speak? My question here does not involve the type of firearm these lunatics choose so much as what is t in our society that has changed so much in the last three decades that is breeding these nut jobs? This mass shooting thing has only become something we hear about all the time within that time frame. Since Patrick Purdey and the Stockton schoolyard shooting with an AK 47. It was the AK that was the demon for a long time, now it's the AR.
Yup.
There was the nonsense about the Mini14 back in the 80s.
The Glock pistol had controversy surrounding it in the 90s. It's plastic! Metal detectors won't pick it up!
I have a sneaking suspicion that was started by Smith and Wesson...
Then Columbine happened and it was the the Tec9.
But nothing was mentioned about the 2 12 gauge pump action shotguns that were used. Fudd guns.
First of all, the AR-15 is in neither a hunting rifle nor sporting rifle, Thoughts?
You need to educate yourself on this issue rather than acept the liberal medias terms and thought process. Heck watch this video to see that the evil black gun is not really as "bad" as many other types of firearms;
Who gets to decide which gun/s are not allowed, and which ones are?
More importantly, if you accept we have constitutional rights to firearms to protect ourselves from enemies foreign and domestic (including a tyrannical government run amok), then regular citizens should have access to the most sophisticated firearms.
I find it perplexing how many of our God given rights articulated in our Constitution are under assault, from freedom of speech/thought, to assemble, to bear arms, to be free of searches/seizures, etc.
It is almost like there is a coordinated effort to eviscerate our constitutional republic, all in the name of safety or not hurting anyone's feelings.
As a very wise man once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I know this question makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but nonetheless I think it's worth asking. In the wake of yet another rampage perpetrated by a deranged lunatic with an (assault) rifle, the question is going to be asked and one way or another the gun issue is going to be addressed. Let me preface this by saying I'm not a liberal anti-gun nut who ****s myself at the sight of a gun, but rather a gun owner and an ardent gun rights advocate. I abhor despotic Democrat-run states like New York and New Jersey that de facto prohibit all but the rich and politically connected from owning and carrying firearms. I abhor "gun-free zones" like schools, hospitals, and universities where occupants are disarmed and forced to be victims of an armed intruder. I think everyone who isn't deranged or a criminal should be allowed access to small arms without having to beg for permission and/or pay a ransom to the state. An armed society makes for a polite society. That statement has been proven time and again. Despite what the psychos from New York and California will tell you, most people are less likely to engage in anti-social behavior when they have to back up said behavior with their life.
That being said, as a rational thinking human being I also abhor the idea of a deranged lunatic going on a killing spree with an assault rifle. The system is supposed to keep criminals and mental ill from accessing deadly weapons, yet the very system has failed time and again. Spree killings are not only getting more and more frequent, but also more and more deadly. The first one I'm old enough to remember, that sent the nation into collective shock was Columbine, and sadly if that happened today it wouldn't even register as so many more deadly spree killings have taken place since. I've heard all of the arguments in favor or rifles and have made some of them in the past to the anti-gun left, but the more I think about the topic, the more specious the pro-rifle arguments appear to me.
First of all, the AR-15 is in neither a hunting rifle nor sporting rifle, it's an assault rifle. It was developed for the military for the purpose of cover fire. The variant sold to civilians is semi-automatic, while the models used by the military are select-fire. That's the only difference, otherwise they're one and the same. An AR-15 makes a poor choice for a hunting rifle and even worse for self-defense. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're going to shoot them with an AR-15? Do you not realize that even if you aim the rifle accurately the bullet has so much force that it will exit your target, go through a wall and kill one of your family members? The best weapon for home and self-defense is a pistol with hollow point ammo. You think you're going to use your rifle to fend off a government siege? Please, the government has enough manpower and firepower to wipe you off the face of the earth and every record that you ever existed. It's insane to think that you can fight the government with a rifle. Like I said before, the system can't seem to keep these weapons out of the hands of deranged people, so maybe it's time to take them off the market. I understand that they're fun to own and to operate, and I enjoy target shooting as much as the next person, but if we can't keep them out of the hands of crazy people, then perhaps we have the duty to get rid of them for the common good. Thoughts?
Ignorant people, trying to think for me, on something they know very little about and are running on emotions.
Ignorance breeds fear.
My AR's, (yes plural), go hunting with me every weekend. There is great sport in spot and stalking hogs in the thick woods.
I have one for day field hunting with 24" barrel and 4x15 50mm, one 16" for knight hunting with IR, and a shorty 300ACC for the thick woods spot & stalking.
I'm pretty sure there are many things in this world that people don't need. In fact, the only things we really require are food, water, and shelter. However, there are many things people simply want to have for their own personal use. Perhaps the one thing I want aside from necessities is an AR-15. And hey, when someone busts down my door in the middle of the night, and I grab my AR-15 to defend myself, then won't that totally flip the script. Because, you know, it turns out I needed my AR-15 to defend my home and family. Something I couldn't do with my wife's diamond ring or my son's Xbox. So it seems some things I don't "need" could actually become a necessity depending on what life throws my way. Who would have thought that was possible!
Fact: Most criminals do not buy their guns at their local gun shop. So no matter how many laws or new regulations are imposed on legal gun owners, you will never stop gun violence. Gun laws only affect people who actually live according to the law. This is a fact that always seems to escape the mind's of anti-gun activists.
I know this question makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but nonetheless I think it's worth asking. In the wake of yet another rampage perpetrated by a deranged lunatic with an (assault) rifle, the question is going to be asked and one way or another the gun issue is going to be addressed. Let me preface this by saying I'm not a liberal anti-gun nut who ****s myself at the sight of a gun, but rather a gun owner and an ardent gun rights advocate. I abhor despotic Democrat-run states like New York and New Jersey that de facto prohibit all but the rich and politically connected from owning and carrying firearms. I abhor "gun-free zones" like schools, hospitals, and universities where occupants are disarmed and forced to be victims of an armed intruder. I think everyone who isn't deranged or a criminal should be allowed access to small arms without having to beg for permission and/or pay a ransom to the state. An armed society makes for a polite society. That statement has been proven time and again. Despite what the psychos from New York and California will tell you, most people are less likely to engage in anti-social behavior when they have to back up said behavior with their life.
That being said, as a rational thinking human being I also abhor the idea of a deranged lunatic going on a killing spree with an assault rifle. The system is supposed to keep criminals and mental ill from accessing deadly weapons, yet the very system has failed time and again. Spree killings are not only getting more and more frequent, but also more and more deadly. The first one I'm old enough to remember, that sent the nation into collective shock was Columbine, and sadly if that happened today it wouldn't even register as so many more deadly spree killings have taken place since. I've heard all of the arguments in favor or rifles and have made some of them in the past to the anti-gun left, but the more I think about the topic, the more specious the pro-rifle arguments appear to me.
First of all, the AR-15 is in neither a hunting rifle nor sporting rifle, it's an assault rifle. It was developed for the military for the purpose of cover fire. The variant sold to civilians is semi-automatic, while the models used by the military are select-fire. That's the only difference, otherwise they're one and the same. An AR-15 makes a poor choice for a hunting rifle and even worse for self-defense. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're going to shoot them with an AR-15? Do you not realize that even if you aim the rifle accurately the bullet has so much force that it will exit your target, go through a wall and kill one of your family members? The best weapon for home and self-defense is a pistol with hollow point ammo. You think you're going to use your rifle to fend off a government siege? Please, the government has enough manpower and firepower to wipe you off the face of the earth and every record that you ever existed. It's insane to think that you can fight the government with a rifle. Like I said before, the system can't seem to keep these weapons out of the hands of deranged people, so maybe it's time to take them off the market. I understand that they're fun to own and to operate, and I enjoy target shooting as much as the next person, but if we can't keep them out of the hands of crazy people, then perhaps we have the duty to get rid of them for the common good. Thoughts?
You are certainly a prolific typer, but are wrong on most points. Your stats and descriptions are sophomoric to say the least.
There is no chance of passing any such gun legislation. How many times must your type be told this?
I have no problem with background checks...just wish the liberals would allow the mental health records to go into it, instead of screaming hippa violations
the NRA has even said it doesn't mind background checks too include mental stability in those background checks
liberals argue against adding the mental part of the background checks....they spin that it will be a violation of HIPPA
it doesn't have to affect hippa at all.... you go for a gun... instant 5 minute background check happens...comes back as code 99(or what ever)...."sorry sir, I can not sell this to you at this time, please check with the NSA you got this code (I don't know what the codes mean) you case number is this, please straighten out the issue before you return"
simple yes?
but noooo, liberals have to complain that it would be a violation of hippa
the problem is mental illness, not the amount of guns out there
The problem is mentally ill people with guns.
Treat the mentally ill and regulate the sales and usage of firearms.
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When you live in the country out in the middle of nowhere, and the nearest neighbor is like 5 miles down the road, the nearest cop at least 30 minutes out, and there is a chance you could be the victim of a violent home invasion from multiple attackers, I think I would like the choice to choose myself in I may need a certain gun to protect myself or not.
What are the stats on people with AR-15s protecting their property by shooting invaders vs. people with AR15s shooting unarmed people minding their own business, I wonder?
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Yeah, people don't need alot of stuff, like baseball bats at home. Leave those for the community centers where you are supervised by experts. Or, if you do not have some culinary degree, you shouldn't own no more than 2 knives in your household. No reason for one person to have 12 different knives that all do the same thing. Or the rich person shouldn't have no more than 2 cars. Any more than that, and it's just pure greed. The rest of their money should be given to charity. And civilians shouldn't be allowed to buy and operate private planes. Leave that to US military trained and certified, that way they have good jobs when they retire from the armed forces. And oh, civilians shouldn't own no more than 2 homes either. One main home and a vacation home is good enough. Anything more is just greed, and we hate rich people and they must be forced to live like the middle class and poor.
When a dude with a baseball bat can slaughter a few dozen people in under 5 minutes, we can talk about sensible baseball bat regulation.
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