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Countries can vote as they please, and many nations voted that dialogue between Israel and Palestine must be part of any process, as set out in the 1967 peace agreement, and many of the countries that voted against US wishes were not terrible regimes, they were countries such as France, the UK, Ireland, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Denmark, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, South Africa, Japan, India etc.
I would not call the regimes terrible but I would call many of them intimidated by strong Muslim minorities or political correctness. The problem is that there was no "1967 peace agreement." There was a UN resolution calling for "secure and recognized borders." The "Palestinians" and many of their allies refuse to recognize any borders for Israel. Or alternatively the demand the right to drown Israel in alleged descendants of 1948 and 1949 refugees. Thus there is an absolute refusal on their part to join, to use a name of a Cat Stevens song, the "Peace Train."
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The vote was in relation to resolution effectively calling on the US to withdraw its recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Although I am sure the US will go ahead and build a new Embassy in Jerusalem despite the vote, even if doing so enrages the Islamic world, and encourages more terrorist attacks against the US, now that they have even more reason to hate the US.
The only thing that will come out of this is that the US will become a terrorist magnet for the sake of moving an Embassy, whilst fragile peace negotiations will also be threatened.
On September 11, 2001 there was no U.S. recognition of Jerusalem's status as capital. The U.S. was waiving the Congressional mandate to move the embassy to Jerusalem. That didn't stop that attack or any of the subsequent attacks. There were important attacks on the U.S., India, Great Britain, Spain, Germany, Denmark, and Belgium, to name a few, during the intervening years.
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128 Countries voted against the wishes of the US including the other four permanent members of the UN Security Council (China, France, Russia and the UK).
I hope Trump carries out his threat to cut off aid. We should also exit the U.N.
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Matthew Rycroft, the British ambassador to the UN, told the Council why Britain was voting against the US.
"We disagree with the US decision unilaterally to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel before a final status agreement, and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem," he said.
"As recent events in the region have shown, these decisions are unhelpful to the prospects for peace in the region, an aim that all of us in this Council remain committed to. The British Embassy to Israel is based in Tel Aviv and we have no plans to move it."
What would be helpful "to the prospects for peace"? Continuing to indulge a fantasy that Jerusalem is up for grabs? I suspect the "final status agreement" that Mr. Rycroft has in mind has uncomfortable resemblance to the "Final Solution" of the "Jewish Problem."
You keep harping on this . We don't have to have a immediate concrete tangible gain from everything we do. Some things are long term considerations.We chose not to have our embassy there because of objections of a violent uncivilized people. This did nothing over the decades to get them to act more civilized, and so we have now abandoned that appeasement tactic. Other countries are apparently now considering doing the same. When enough follow us, as I think will happen over the next decade as the initial kerfuffle over it settles, this issue will be gone for the Arabs and they will begin to learn the world is tired of their ways.
Yes, we absolutely have to benefit in some way. The Unites States isn’t some charity or benefactor state that just declares things just to be nice. We have to get something in exchange for any beneficence. We get nothing for this, so we shouldn’t do it.
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Judah and Israel were Jewish states in the area.
No they weren’t. They weren’t STATES. Ancient kingdoms, but not States.
Yes, we absolutely have to benefit in some way. The Unites States isn’t some charity or benefactor state that just declares things just to be nice. We have to get something in exchange for any beneficence. We get nothing for this, so we shouldn’t do it.
It seems that either the overwhelming majority of lawmakers that voted for this either disagree with you on doing the right thing simply because it is the right thing, without worrying about tangible benefit, or they see some long term benefit you cant see.
Either way, this was a very bipartisan and overwhelming vote for moving the capital to Jerusalem.
It seems that either the overwhelming majority of lawmakers that voted for this either disagree with you on doing the right thing simply because it is the right thing, without worrying about tangible benefit, or they see some long term benefit you cant see.
Either way, this was a very bipartisan and overwhelming vote for moving the capital to Jerusalem.
Because our lawmakers are stupid and more often than not, puts the interests of others ahead of their American patriotism. They are Israel Firsters. No...they’re “everyone BUT the United States” Firsters.
Everything we do should be out of national self interest, and NEVER just because it’s the right thing to do.
We watched butchery in Rwanda, and did absolutely nothing about it. Stopping it was “the right thing to do,” but we declined, didn’t we? Why? Because getting involved wasn’t in our national interest. And if we had interfered, there’s no doubt that folks like yourself would’ve went berserk. You want to “do the right thing” only in the case of the nations and people you favor.
Israel’s capitol is NOTHING to Americans, and none of us voted for our legislators to recognize anything, much less move our embassy. Americans don’t want to be inserted into the Arab-Israeli conflict, but folks like you want to keep the United States perpetually involved in other nation’s crap.
Yes, we absolutely have to benefit in some way. The Unites States isn’t some charity or benefactor state that just declares things just to be nice. We have to get something in exchange for any beneficence. We get nothing for this, so we shouldn’t do it.
A chance to move out of a backwater like Bonn to an international city like Berlin.
The United States would’ve been the only embassy in Bonn, and for what? No one travels to Bonn. We don’t need a U.S. interests section in Bonn. Being in Bonn NEVER made sense, but we were there because the German government was there. And the German government didn’t want to be there.
Germany solved its two state solution...Israel hasn’t. Berlin wasn’t disputed any longer. Jerusalem still is.
Germany is an old Republic. Israel is a new kid on the block.
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