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She is believable if you only read her account of things, if you research you will find what she says about her experience where she herself was an assistant to a surgery to abort a 13 week term abortion. First off she has no medical degree to be in a surgery room of any kind. More importantly the hospital where this supposedly occurred have no such records of an abortion 13 weeks duration took place. No records at all. Abbey is not credible
OMG you're awesome! First you have to consider the source. Fox news. Then you have to research, then you have to form an opinion with out the emotional rhetoric. Then you have to look at the whole picture, not one myopic opinion. Rubes and sheeple fall for rhetoric. Intelligent people reason.
Pro abortion: It reduces poverty and the need for welfare. Some studies suggest that it reduces the crime rate. The process of reproduction is highly imperfect. If you had the choice between being born severely compromised which sentenced you to a life of one painful hospital stay after another, would you choose that life or an abortion.? A young girl is raped, and worse yet, by a relative. If that was your daughter would you want that procedure to be readily available? You yourself develop ovarian cancer while you're pregnant. You have young children at home. Your doctor recommends an abortion and immediate treatment. Do you want that choice or should you be forced to have that child?
Pro life: We believe in an ideology that says one size must fit all, and therefore all life must be sacred no matter the circumstances.
Yes abortion is unpleasant, but it is also necessary and is up to an individual to decide what is best for them. It's not up to an ideology that many of us have no belief in. Mind your own business. Better yet, go focus your misguided energy on feeding starving children in the here and now who are starving to death every day. They need you more then some cells with the potential of becoming another unwanted child on an already over crowded planet.
Cons say they want fewer abortions yet are all about restricting women's access to birth control.
Dems actually do want fewer abortions so we support access to and financial help for birth control.
Medicaid covers birth control in our state, I suspect in many or all others. There are also clinics that provide services/birth control on a sliding fee scale.
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Planned Parenthood sounds like a chop shop. Just saddening.
Calling the room where they tried to connect the body parts into a "baby" to ship/sell them "the nursery".
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What lie? That you would be very happy to force every woman who gets pregnant to take the pregnancy to term? Because every thread that you start on this subject--and you start a lot of them--basically advocates for exactly that.
It is about saving a life. Even PP admits "Abortion stops a beating heart." Oh, boo-hoo, the woman would take responsibility for the decision she made.
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Plus she is very believable.
Yes, she is, especially when combined with all the other stories that have came out about PP.
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What is wrong with forcing women to give birth against their will? Well, nothing, I suppose, if one wants to live in a fundamentalist theocracy, which you obviously would like very much. I bet you thought The Handmaid's Tale was a beautiful love story.
Many people that don't subscribe to "fundamentalist theocracy" still have a respect for life. Seriously, who watches "The Handmaid's Tale"?
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Right, more failures than not using anything? That makes no sense.
And what's your solution - abstinence until marriage?
Actually, some women become too confident and believe there isn't a chance that they will become pregnant. Young people believe "But, it won't happen to me." At that point, they are also subject to STDs.
In 1979, I went to a PP office for a pregnancy test. I was the married mother of 1 child at the time, a 2 year old. I was asked what I would be doing IF the pregnancy was positive. What a strange question. I said, saving money and preparing for the arrival of the baby. The test was negative. It sent a message to me.
Medicaid, which I have never been on, here and I'm betting elsewhere provides sterilization - a very good choice for those that have completed their families, don't want to "stop a beating heart", etc. Anyone that can have a baby vacuumed out of their womb might not make the best mother anyway.
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She is believable if you only read her account of things, if you research you will find what she says about her experience where she herself was an assistant to a surgery to abort a 13 week term abortion. First off she has no medical degree to be in a surgery room of any kind. More importantly the hospital where this supposedly occurred have no such records of an abortion 13 weeks duration took place. No records at all. Abbey is not credible
Possibly there is no record in this case because the cut-off was 12 weeks? This is so in tune with the other stories coming out about PP, although calling the room where they piece together baby parts before sending/selling them into a "baby" being called "The Nursery" is new to me, but seems to speak of the general coldness of those involved with abortions.
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Sex is not just for procreation. Abortion is taking responsibility
Nope, abortion is "stopping a beating heart" and taking responsibility starts before having sex. Taking responsibility for your baby's life by ending it. Of course, there are numerous stories by women who terminated their babies and have a lot of emotion/mental health issues once it actually hits them.
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Except men wouldn’t bother most think it’s up to the women to not get pregnant. They play Russian roulette when they get caught, most take a run
As it has been stated, "it takes two". Those same men can end up paying child support for 18 years or more, more emphasis should be put on that to encourage them to be responsible. Since the woman is the one that has to terminate the life of an unwanted baby, I would think more thought should come from her.
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Not Your Business, Live Your Own Life
The life of another is everyone's business. The horror of terminating a young life and never giving it a chance should concern everyone although I know some are so focused on themselves that they will never see that.
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And yet you don't deny that you are in favor of forced birth for every pregnant woman, and that is not laughable.
Piecing baby parts together into a whole baby in order to ship/sell it and calling the room, "The Nursery." Check youtube.com and search for "abortion regret".
"Abortion stops a beating heart." A respect for life doesn't have to be tied to religion of any type, but simply a respect for other human beings other than ourselves.
THAT was one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard! There is no way to reverse the results of careless sex. Abortion is the only solution some, mostly poor and young, people have. It also tears a womans body apart (sometimes to death) and causes real problems later in life for a very high percentage of them. That's something no Planned Parenthood counselor ever talks about.
LOL. I had no idea my body was "torn apart" when I had an abortion. Mainly I just felt relief, and menstrual-like cramping. What would I do without the men of C-D to tell me about my uterus?
No, the only concern is for the life of the fetus. Once it's a baby most conservatives are all for cutting off any means of support. It can die slowly of malnutrition or lack of medical care as far as they're concerned. Only the fetus has any value to the anti-choice/forced-birth crowd.
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Check youtube.com and search for "abortion regret".
I don't have to. I had an abortion when I was 21. Do you know how many minutes I've spent regretting it? Zero. Because it was the right thing for me at that time. What you think is totally immaterial to my choice, or to the choice of millions of other women.
Here's the extent of how this concerns YOU: Don't have an abortion.
And that's where your influence on the matter ends.
Abortion will never be made illegal again in the U.S. Thank god.
So what you are saying is...that if only men acted right somehow women would be forced to give birth? uh huh.
Want to fix the problem? I mean REALLY get those numbers WAY down?
1. mandatory sex ed
2. a basic income supporting children
3. higher wages
4. free child care
etc etc.
If you folks are truly horrified by this, support things that would make abortion not such a obvious preferred choice for folks. Instead we give tax breaks to billionaires, while increasing the burden on the poor-of course they're going to abort. They cant afford a child!
Great post but likely lost on the fetus fetishists.
Here again we see the maniacal drive of those who are willing to take on the world for it's perceived sins. The millions of babies who grow up to become sacrificed on that same altar of moral perception and it's renown support of bloody wars, are seldom if ever defended by those same individuals who insist upon their birth. We don't need to condone or condemn those who feel the abortion decision is a personal one, although we can and should speak up for those who are sent to die for "the objective.."
Medicaid covers birth control in our state, I suspect in many or all others. There are also clinics that provide services/birth control on a sliding fee scale.
In 1979, I went to a PP office for a pregnancy test. I was the married mother of 1 child at the time, a 2 year old. I was asked what I would be doing IF the pregnancy was positive. What a strange question. I said, saving money and preparing for the arrival of the baby. The test was negative. It sent a message to me.
What message did that send ? That your opinion was the only one that mattered ?
"Abortion stops a beating heart." A respect for life doesn't have to be tied to religion of any type, but simply a respect for other human beings other than ourselves.
Congrats you have co-opted into the fundamentalist cause - no room for discussion nor debate nor respect for another's rights nor apparently even the rule of law in the US because well murder huh ? Sorry but most of us in the US do not agree with your POV neither does the constitution.
Don't even bother to look at the Right's record on respect for Human Rights, Medical Care (saving lives?), or their tolerance for misdeeds within their own political party. The pot is calling the kettle black.
All women, married or not, you heard it. No more sex unless you are actively wanting to get pregnant. Wouldn't want to risk and accidental pregnancy.
Better hope that your spouse wants a child or no sex for you. EVER.
Isn't it stunning how many here believe this? If you're a woman and want 2 children, and get pg easily, you might only have sex twice in your life until you reach menopause. Is sex after menopause allowed? How many men or women who say this are really willing go give up sex for the long term? I see this leading to men having a lot of affairs and then guess what? More abortions! You know, having sex is really healthy. We should probably be encouraging people to have more sex, not less.
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I said, saving money and preparing for the arrival of the baby. The test was negative. It sent a message to me. 
