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Most voters are also smart enough to recognize a cynical political ploy by Democrats to claim the moral high ground by waiting until it was strategically advantageous to throw their own members under the bus -- at no political cost to them I might add -- that they had erstwhile defended. You better believe Al Franken and John Conyers wouldn't be going anywhere if Minnesota had a Republican governor right now and Conyers' district wasn't unflappably blue. Similarly, they also wouldn't have had their sudden epiphany that Bill Clinton is a dirtbag after all had the Clintons' political shelf life not reached its expiration date.
There's a reason why the American public hates both parties right now.
You want cynical? I can provide that. I know Republicans who positively loathe Moore as the extremist he is, and did so way before the allegations came out, yet they say they want him to win, even if they believe the women. Do they want him in the Senate long-term? No. They want him there long enough to have his vote on a couple of issues, and then they want him expelled. This is not speculation on my part, they have said so.
Nice, huh? If they believe the women, they are choosing a child molester over a Democrat, and if they believe him, they are willing to use and then cast aside a man they believe to be innocent.
The sexual impropriety issue has been simmering for a while now, and it was the Harvey Weinstein scandal that opened the floodgates. If you want to blame that on some kind of stupid conspiracy, go right ahead, but I don't think this discussion is going away any time soon, regardless of what happens to Moore...or to Trump, for that matter.
As for Bill Clinton, all I can say is, thinks were a lot more "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" about sexual harassment in the 80s and 90s. That does not excuse him more than anyone else, but if we are going to go there, perhaps we should also revisit Clarence Thomas. This kind of crap is not limited to, or owned by, either party.
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If he loses, will there be threads here praising Alabama conservatives for their moral courage? How about from the halls of CNN or MSNBC? Of course not, it will be used as just another stick to beat Trump over the head with, another clear indication that he's as unpopular as ever and losing control of his base and blah blah blah. That's a contributing factor to why it's even conceivable that Moore would still win -- that and because the Democrats didn't bother to nominate someone who could even be remotely palatable to your average Alabama voter. If Moore sucks this hard and still wins, how much did his opponent suck? Will the Democrats stop bashing Moore and the supposedly morally bankrupt Alabama voters long enough to ask themselves that question?
If the epic tantrum and blame-shifting after Hillary's loss is any indication, I'm going with "no."
Actually, I suspect that there will be. Maybe not a lot, but there will be some. There will be critics, as well, who believe that Moore was rejected because he's utterly toxic, and not for any moral reasons, but that kind of goes back to the cynicism discussed above, doesn't it?
Personally, I have a lot of respect for conservatives who have been unwavering in their condemnation of this whacko.
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The GOP does not care what Moore is, politics overrides everything including Morals and Ethics. Moore probably will win, and in the end the GOP will lose more than they gain, they are not always the brightest bunch in the room.
Exactly. They have NO excuse this time around. They can't even play the "duhh... Hillary is a crook, too!" card that they tried to use to justify voting for Trump, a bigger crook and a bigot slimebag molester who pays neither his taxes nor his employees.
The Democrat candidate is just a normal person, but they STILL have to vote for the sexual predator because he has an "R" after his name. Nevermind that decades of Republican, right-wing rule have kept Alabama a poverty riddled hellhole; they just don't care. It's about hating gays, Muslims, the poor (ironic, given how Alabama IS poor), and everyone else up to and including the fictional "communists" and "socialists" that lurk under every bed and who are going to "give us all the gay!" They are beyond reason, and they'll gladly vote for a sexual predator Republican over a perfectly normal Democrat because this is not about facts - it's about tribe above all else.
Even if Moore loses, the fact that the race was close is a damning indictment of the right-wing mindset; let us also not forget how Trump will not suffer any consequences for supporting that slimebag, either, because it is also tribe before nation with his supporters.
That's not even what he is accused of. This kind of lying about him doesn't help the Democrats' cause either.
Well no kidding. If the accusations had come forth BEFORE the primary, that's probably what would have happened. But the GOP couldn't undo the primary and put Strange or anyone else in Moore's place, and Moore refused to step aside. So it's in the voters' hands now.
What?
Bannon's a clinger-on gadfly who didn't latch onto Moore until after he'd pulled away in the primary. He's trying to look more powerful than he really is and no political insider is fooled by his schtik.
Perhaps not, but it seems that a lot of gullible voters are.
I used to feel sorry for the good Repubs, but since they do not stand up against him that sympathy factor was diminished greatly.
Exactly. I have no sympathy for them.
The 2016 election was that of the Progressives rejecting Hillary - who is a crook - and her kind, hence the Democrat loss. Meanwhile, the far-right decides to full-on embrace Trump and everything that crooked slimebag represents, which now includes voting for and heavily supporting another sexual predator in Moore.
The fact that the Republican party as a whole - as well as a frighteningly large percentage of their voting base - refuses to reject the worst elements in their party as the Democrats have already done by turning their back on Hillary means that they deserve no sympathy. They earned the fallout from Trump, Moore, and all that is to come. Karma sucks.
It would be fun to see Moore humiliated, and watch Bannon's and Trump's heads explode, and I will be delighted if he loses, but if he does win, for the Democrats, he will be the gift that just keeps on giving.
Personally, I have no doubt that if Luther Strange had won the GOP primary in Alabama, we wouldn't even be talking about this election because the result would be a foregone conclusion that he'd win.
But as it stands, it seems like a "heads they win, tails we lose" situation for the GOP. They either lose the seat to a Democrat, or they get to have Roy Moore on the ticket in every race in every state in 2018. And most voters in other states aren't going to be thinking "I don't care, even if he IS a child molester, I'm not voting for a Democrat."
It's not a self inflicted wound by the Senate GOP it is a nightmarish scenario for the GOP overall including the Senate GOP but not self inflicted, they never wanted Moore.
It's not a self inflicted wound by the Senate GOP it is a nightmarish scenario for the GOP overall including the Senate GOP but not self inflicted, they never wanted Moore.
Then they should have stuck with that stand, in the end they caved to the will of trump. They will get no mercy because they once stood against him and even if they tried cleaning up the mess after the election the damage will have already been done. Elections coming....................
Or do you really want to play the you name a Republican, and I''ll name a Dem game? If you do, be assured I won't be starting with Wilbur Mills.
Meh. The Democrats cleared out the current top slimedog in their party (Franken) and the Clintons were reject by the voters in 2016. Meanwhile, the far-right still loves Trump the sexual predator, and apparently they are fine with Moore.
So, while there are slimebags in both parties, yes, it should be glaringly clear to even the casual observer that the Democrats are, on some meaningful level, rejecting them, while the far-right - always eager to place tribe before nation or morality - is embracing them.
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