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Old 01-05-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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PK..., I love where your heart is, but simply to agree about what is right or wrong is one thing. Describing those wrongs as socialism, capitalism or cannibalism is quite another! Surely we agree about that, right?
We call our system Capitalism, but in reality, it is not, right? If you disagree, point out where in Capitalism the government bails out a failed business.

 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Pirates shared everything. What do you call that?
I guess you really feel this question is a good one, worthy of an answer, and if I didn't sense you are being sincere, I'd think you were pulling my leg, but okay. Let's see if this helps...

Pirates are typically known for threatening ships that they could board, rob and pillage without justification other than their desire to do so. Otherwise known as thievery (not to mention rape and whatever else they felt like doing without much reservation). What spoils they took from unsuspecting victims, they may have shared among themselves (or maybe not if too much rum). No different from gang members today who might share whatever profits from dealing drugs or extortion or sex trafficking, or ants that might share the spoils of a road kill.

However, if you think it is socialism anytime the word "share" is part of describing the likes of pirates, gangs or ants, then we've certainly got a problem I'm not sure how to correct. All I can say is be assured any real socialist will disagree with you in no uncertain terms. Any accurate description of socialism will not use pirates, gangs or ants -- or any group that shares -- as examples of socialism.

Please have mercy...
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:57 AM
 
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No they didn't.

They killed each other for what they stole for someone else. Pirates buried their treasure to keep other pirates from taking it from them.

They weren't socialist by any means.


Blackbeard: History of the Dreaded Pirate
In his deposition, Herriot claims that Blackbeard intentionally grounded Queen Anne's Revenge and Adventure in order to break up the company, which by this time had grown to over 300 pirates. Intentional or not, that is what happened as Blackbeard marooned some pirates and left Beaufort with a hand picked crew and most of the valuable plunder.

https://www.qaronline.org/history/blackbeard
It is said that Teach had to share his wife after going back into piracy. He tried to go straight after the Queen Anne was grounded.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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What are the comparative figures on job growth in the first year between Trump and his predecessors...?
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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I guess you really feel this question is a good one, worthy of an answer,
I feel that asking you where in Capitalism we find the government bailing out a failed business is a good one but so far you have ignored it.

Anyone else?
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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I can only imagine how high this economy would be if Romney had been elected.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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Got my year end 401K statement. Up 5 digits in 2017. Nice.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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I can only imagine how high this economy would be if Romney had been elected.
Based upon what?
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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We call our system Capitalism, but in reality, it is not, right? If you disagree, point out where in Capitalism the government bails out a failed business.
One last one, and then a good day to you. Hope this also helps, but I'm becoming less optimistic...

A simple definition, "Capitalism is an economic system and an ideology based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit."

Given this definition, as long as private ownership, production and operation for profit is pervasive (like it is in America), then whatever else might also occur, like say the bailout of a failed business that is also for many about protecting profits and/or realizing future profits, does not suddenly mean that America no longer embraces an ideology based on private ownership blah, blah, blah...

Maybe what you should do is find any definition of capitalism that prevents the likes from occurring, because as long as ownership, production and profit making is in the hands of the private sector, like it is here in America (where 40 percent of the wealth is in the hands of 1 percent who own it), then you can bet that as long as a buck is going to be protected and/or made, with or without the help of government, then that's most certainly allowed -- if not encouraged -- here in America!
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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It is said that Teach had to share his wife after going back into piracy. He tried to go straight after the Queen Anne was grounded.
One common trait the pirates and socialists share was they are both thieves first and foremost.
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