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Old 01-15-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: California
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All the shreikers discounting electric power.., lol

You keep listening to your boy Trump tout the benefits of coal and I’ll keep investing in electric and solar. You dinosaurs should rely on coal, it lines up perfectly with your beliefs.

Meanwhile, I’ll be watching my portfolio.
What does this have to do with California?
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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A new era in batteries? Just because some liberal CA politician say it, doesn't mean it's going to happen. They're going to need millions of toxic batteries to handle the load that will need to be replaced every few years, hardly great for the environment.
Batteries aren't toxic or we would all be dead long ago.
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: California
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It sounds good but if it ever happens it will be a long, long time from now, there is nothing that can store that much power at this time and as someone else said how will you charge these banks? Natural gas plants will be here for a long time ahead.
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:06 PM
 
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Everyone wants clean power, right?
Of course not. The GOP donor class wants their fossil fuel investment protected.
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:08 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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I found this quite interesting--California is leading the charge to kick fossil fuel power generation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...gas-in-america

"California, the state that helped birth the global boom in battery-toting electric vehicles, is trying to spark a similar transformation for utilities. And that spells trouble for power plants all across the U.S. that run on natural gas.
The California Public Utilities Commission approved an order Thursday that will require PG&E Corp., the state’s biggest utility, to change the way it supplies power when demand peaks. Instead of relying on electricity from three gas-fired plants run by Calpine Corp., PG&E will have to use batteries or other non-fossil fuel resources to keep the lights on in the most-populated U.S. state."
Don't you need electricity to charge those batteries? Never mind the toxic chemicals needed to make a battery and the environmental hazzards of disposing of batteries.
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:37 PM
 
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Don't you need electricity to charge those batteries? Never mind the toxic chemicals needed to make a battery and the environmental hazzards of disposing of batteries.
Batteries are recyclable.
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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Don't you need electricity to charge those batteries? Never mind the toxic chemicals needed to make a battery and the environmental hazzards of disposing of batteries.
This isn't lead acid.
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:29 PM
 
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really? when was the last time your gas tank overheated and burst into flames?
lol. I've seen it happen when a vehicle caught fire. Thats ALSO when it might happen with a battery. But actual batteries catching fire is INSANELY uncommon. Know why most folks are even aware it is a issue? Because poorly designed batteries have done so.

Fun fact-I used to own a Ford Pinto, a vehicle that was legendary for also having the fuel tank catch on fire.

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never? or when was the last time a pile of coal burst into flames spontaneously? never? or oil? nice try but you fail. is it possible for fossil fuels to burst into flames under normal usage? sure, but generally they require a combination of things to happen at the right moment, such as a combustible mixture, and an external bit of energy to light off that combustible mixture.
See above. Basically its the same for fossil fuels. Except despite everyone having a lithium battery I have actually SEEN more gas fires, and vehicle fires then phones.

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lithium-ion batteries dont need external sources to light a combustible mixture, they just overheat and catch fire. granted not often, but often enough to be concerned.
No. They do not just spontaneously catch fire for no reason any more then vehicles do. The most common cause is bad design (See ford Pinto for the same-and some vehicles with bad fuel pump designs), or external damage. It doesn't just randomly happen. sheesh.
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Japan
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A New Era of Batteries Spells Trouble for Natural Gas in America

It would be great if it was the solar/batteries option that was threatening natural gas because it was actually cheaper and more reliable. But apparently that's not the case. It's the new California regulation requiring battery use, not the market responding to a better alternative.
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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A New Era of Batteries Spells Trouble for Natural Gas in America

It would be great if it was the solar/batteries option that was threatening natural gas because it was actually cheaper and more reliable. But apparently that's not the case. It's the new California regulation requiring battery use, not the market responding to a better alternative.
Sometimes those regulations spur the resulting better alternative. I'd prefer seeing DARPA funding for it over this though.
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