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Old 01-26-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Imagine not being smart enough to realize that states have to impose consequences to enforce environmental regulations.
I think you mean authoritarian progressives and progressive authoritarian politicians who use their authority and personal agendas to impose "environmental regulations" on americans based on research by a nine year old.


The actual number of straws being used is unclear. Calderon, along with news outlets writing about this issue—from CNN to the San Francisco Chronicle—unfailingly state that Americans use 500 million plastic straws a day, many of them ending up in waterways and oceans. The 500 million figure is often attributed to the National Park Service; it in turn got it from the recycling company Eco-Cycle.

Eco-Cycle is unable to provide any data to back up this number, telling Reason that it was relying on the research of one Milo Cress. Cress—whose Be Straw Free Campaign is hosted on Eco-Cycle's website—tells Reason that he arrived at the 500 million straws a day figure from phone surveys he conducted of straw manufacturers in 2011, when he was just 9 years old.



California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws - Hit & Run : Reason.com

this proposed straw law is an exemplar of authoritarian progressivism.

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Old 01-26-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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Why aren’t rational Republicans concerned that this administration continuously impugns the only bodies that can investigate the president and hold him accountable?
The departments that serve at the pleasure of the chief Executive are not the only bodies that can investigate the President and hold him accountable, nor are they even proper, as Obama's FBI, DoJ and IRS illustrated magnificently for 8 straight years. He never had to impugn them because they were already in his back pocket making sure nothing ever stuck to him, and what did, like Hillary's private server, got bandied about but never seriously threatened with investigation. All of those departments are staffed with people the President can fire any time they want for any reason they want. For more, see "Clinton demands resignation of every US attorney at the same time in 1993."

The House of Representatives and the Senate are the bodies best suited and constitutionally charged with investigating and holding the president accountable, once in office.
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It’s curious that they would throw their trust behind one man, at the expense of the press and entire intelligence community. Isn’t it far more likely that the person being investigated is a crook?
Does that "guilty until proven innocent" philosophy hold true for the shadiest two Presidents of our lifetimes (Clinton, Obama), or is it specific just to Republicans and/or Trump? Ever notice how the Clinton's defending themselves went from "categorically not guilty" to "not guilty of specifically what you are saying according to the dictionary" to "I have no recollection" to the current Clintonian defense of either "you can't prove anything" or "there isn't enough evidence to prosecute me, so ha ha."

All super high power chief executives are shady. Just curious why it seems the media only seems to care about the Republican ones?
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Do they want a world where anyone attempting to hold the POTUS accountable is branded a liar and conspirator? That’s literally what happens in dictatorships.
It worked for the country for 8 years with Obama, where anyone attempting to hold him accountable was labeled a racist. It worked for 8 years of Clinton, where anyone trying to hold him accountable were part of a vast right wing conspiracy.

Were you this outraged during those 16 total years? I doubt it.

But welcome to a country where our check/balance system has been flipped upside down, and our presidency is perceived as some demigod monarch. I warned during Clinton and Obama's presidency to all the folks on the left cheering all of those constitutional abuses, amassing of executive power, acts of imperiousness, etc that it's funny now because it's your guy doing it to Republican reps and Senators, but someday, it won't be so funny when it is a Republican emperor doing it to your Democrat reps an Senators.

Guess the imperial presidency isn't such a funny and cool idea anymore, eh?
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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This is such an incredibly dumb take, I can’t believe you guys are still running with it. Maybe you were born during the Obama administration, but I remember the Democrats losing a lot of elections. Dems don’t call for investigations when they lose elections,they do this when there's credible evidence of criminality. Somehow, you guys everyone who sees wrongdoing is a liar or a crook and needs to be shut down.


About that whole "credible evidence of criminality" thing....


Multiple agencies, with thousands of people and including a large portion of the media has been trying to find "credible evidence of criminality" for going on two years now......

And what have they come up with?

Two charges of a procedural crime that was due to the investigation itself and had nothing to do with Trump or Russia....the same thing Martha Stewart was charged with.....


And other than that.........bupkis.....
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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Why aren’t rational Republicans concerned that this administration continuously impugns the only bodies that can investigate the president and hold him accountable? It’s curious that they would throw their trust behind one man, at the expense of the press and entire intelligence community. Isn’t it far more likely that the person being investigated is a crook?

Do they want a world where anyone attempting to hold the POTUS accountable is branded a liar and conspirator? That’s literally what happens in dictatorships.
why aren't democrats concerned about the weaponizing of the FBI, Justice, etc?


because its sure seems that happened.
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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So what "authoritarian" policies, has Trump, and Congress put in place? What parts of the Constitution has Trump violated?

Tax cuts?
Less unneeded regulation?
Border security?

Hmmmm, sounds like more freedoms to me.
^^^^^^^Well?
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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This is so much bigger than Russia. It’s literally about an attempt to destroy the credibility of the press and the intelligence community; the two bodies that do real investigative work. The only “facts” are those that come from the White House, GOP or conservative press.
Lolz....

The press is doing a bang up job destroying their own credibility.

They don't need any help from Trump.

The press's illusion of impartiality has had one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel for a long time now.

All Trump is doing is digging the grave deeper for them.
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:31 AM
 
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Democrat idea of autocracy:
President who fights back when attacked by the media and fires an FBI director who does really stupid things
even if he reduces the size and scope of government, reduces the power of government by reigning in government regulation, advocates and implements reductions in tax rates thus reducing the impact of government in the lives of individuals.


Democrat idea of good democracy
the use of IRS to prevent opposition political organizations from doing exactly what liberal organizations do.
the use of the FBI and Justice departments to spy on opposition political campaigns
the use of media to spread lies


The world isn't upside down. That's just who the democrats are.


Dear Left, you keep this junk up and we will in fact reach autocracy. Republicans will retaliate. We will have weaponized government and good people from both sides will go down in flames, leaving only the ethically impaired in charge.


the right didn't do this. The LEFT did it.
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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'talk radio' conservatives have been conditioned for a long time to distrust the free press, but what they don't get is it has nothing to do with their paranoid perception of "liberal bias" and everything to do with ratings. For example, Fox News doesn't want to lose viewers to other networks, so from a marketing perspective, it becomes a fight over ideology. Watch Fox News, because other networks are spinning the news, not telling the truth.

Basically Trump took perception of biased media and put it on steroids.
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Why aren’t rational Republicans concerned that this administration continuously impugns the only bodies that can investigate the president and hold him accountable? It’s curious that they would throw their trust behind one man, at the expense of the press and entire intelligence community. Isn’t it far more likely that the person being investigated is a crook?

Do they want a world where anyone attempting to hold the POTUS accountable is branded a liar and conspirator? That’s literally what happens in dictatorships.

It is called "CYA" The GOP has finally gotten back into the driver's seat, albeit a shaky administration at the helm, and they are going to do anything they can to protect themselves, not lose voters, and keep a scandal from occurring. The worst thing that could happen for them right now is for Trump to have to appear and answer questions, and they will try anything to keep that from happening.

Just more of the same, party first, people second. Always has been that way, always will.
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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it's also lunacy.
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