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Old 02-03-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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Must be a record for spinning of the Nunnes memo contents. I practiced law for 50 years. If an attorney submits a pleading (say a request for a warrant), he must sign a statement that the contents that he is presenting to the court are true and correct. Any adverse information must be disclosed, otherwise it's a fraud on the court. For example, if the Steele Dossier was submitted as a part of the evidence submitted to the FISA court and the FBI did not notify the court, that it was prepared at the request of and paid for by the Democratic National Committee, the Hillary Clinton Campaign, and the FBI, then it is a fraud on the court. The doctrine of the fruit of the poison tree may arise in any case involving the FISA warrant or the Steele Dossier if it can be proved that it was obtained wrongfully, or with the intent to deceive.


it's not whether or not the DNC/the HRC Campaign/or the FBI paid for the Steele Dossier or even the Dossier's contents, but the failure of the DOJ/FBi to disclose contextual facts to to the FISA court so it had a fair chance to weigh the evidence in this ex parte proceeding.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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You presume that the high government officials of the Democrat left are subject to the same laws and social standards as everybody else. They clearly do not agree. The scary thing is, they have so far not been wrong about that, and there is more than a small chance that this may continue to be the case.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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Hopefully, this all gets sorted out in short time.

In the meantime, outside of these forum walls, most Americans are either not interested or unaware of the current events.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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Must be a record for spinning of the Nunnes memo contents. I practiced law for 50 years. If an attorney submits a pleading (say a request for a warrant), he must sign a statement that the contents that he is presenting to the court are true and correct. Any adverse information must be disclosed, otherwise it's a fraud on the court. For example, if the Steele Dossier was submitted as a part of the evidence submitted to the FISA court and the FBI did not notify the court, that it was prepared at the request of and paid for by the Democratic National Committee, the Hillary Clinton Campaign, and the FBI, then it is a fraud on the court. The doctrine of the fruit of the poison tree may arise in any case involving the FISA warrant or the Steele Dossier if it can be proved that it was obtained wrongfully, or with the intent to deceive.


it's not whether or not the DNC/the HRC Campaign/or the FBI paid for the Steele Dossier or even the Dossier's contents, but the failure of the DOJ/FBi to disclose contextual facts to to the FISA court so it had a fair chance to weigh the evidence in this ex parte proceeding.
As an attorney of 50 years, you know there are two sides to every story. You only have one side. When and if the Democratic memo comes out, you will have a more balanced view. I write "if" because the memo must be approved by Trump. There is chance, albeit a small one, that Trump may not approve a release. I would withhold judgement if I were you until all sides are heard.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Must be a record for spinning of the Nunnes memo contents. I practiced law for 50 years. If an attorney submits a pleading (say a request for a warrant), he must sign a statement that the contents that he is presenting to the court are true and correct. Any adverse information must be disclosed, otherwise it's a fraud on the court. For example, if the Steele Dossier was submitted as a part of the evidence submitted to the FISA court and the FBI did not notify the court, that it was prepared at the request of and paid for by the Democratic National Committee, the Hillary Clinton Campaign, and the FBI, then it is a fraud on the court. The doctrine of the fruit of the poison tree may arise in any case involving the FISA warrant or the Steele Dossier if it can be proved that it was obtained wrongfully, or with the intent to deceive.


it's not whether or not the DNC/the HRC Campaign/or the FBI paid for the Steele Dossier or even the Dossier's contents, but the failure of the DOJ/FBi to disclose contextual facts to to the FISA court so it had a fair chance to weigh the evidence in this ex parte proceeding.
As a "lawyer who practiced for 50 years", I would think you would also realize that making a decision based on a memo presented by ONLY ONE SIDE is not the correct way to come to a conclusion.

Any good lawyer would insist on seeing ALL the evidence before making a decision.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It’s a horrid disgrace. Everyone involved should be prosecuted and Trump should replace the top third of the FBI personnel.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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As an attorney of 50 years, you know there are two sides to every story. You only have one side. When and if the Democratic memo comes out, you will have a more balanced view. I write "if" because the memo must be approved by Trump. There is chance, albeit a small one, that Trump may not approve a release. I would withhold judgement if I were you until all sides are heard.

Great minds think alike !
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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Great minds think alike !
Agreed!
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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It’s a horrid disgrace. Everyone involved should be prosecuted and Trump should replace the top third of the FBI personnel.
No, what is a horrid disgrace is that the GOP is afraid to release any information that might disprove their attempt at distorting this story. It is a horrid disgrace that they even try to do it in broad daylight.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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You presume that the high government officials of the Democrat left are subject to the same laws and social standards as everybody else. They clearly do not agree. The scary thing is, they have so far not been wrong about that, and there is more than a small chance that this may continue to be the case.
Haha!! So true!
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