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Oh, so since you're so sure. I will bet you $100K that it does. If you're wrong, and there are google results, you pay me $100K.
If there are any reports of medical professionals or physical therapists confirming it is a legitimate treatment, including quotes from articles published in print or online, you also lose.
Deal? Put your money where your big ignorant mouth-hole is.
Wait, do you even have 100K?
Once again, YOU are the one making the affirmative argument. It is YOUR responsibility to provide support for your argument. It is not our responsibility to refute your argument. Moreover, that little shift of the goalposts is duly noted. "Any reports" can mean quacks and treatments that might have been accepted at one point in time but are now considered illegitimate. Over 200 girls. Nassar was a BIG fan of little girls' vaginas. If vaginal treatment was so "legitimate", then it would be widespread. Little girls that aren't gymnasts still go to doctors every day for ankle, knee, wrist injuries. And their doctors don't seem to be offering up vaginal therapy for these sorts of injuries.
When both me and pknopp are on the same side of something, not only is someone wrong, they're so wrong it warps the fabric of reality! (just kidding we do occasionally agree on things-stuff like this for example.)
We generally agree on a goal, just not how we get there.
Actually, that's not true. These are elite gymnasts. They were required to regularly see the doctor, whether they had a complaint or not.
They even testified he would make excuses for them to have to come see him, injury or not. The testimony was that this wasn't even always in a medical environment.
Once again, YOU are the one making the affirmative argument. It is YOUR responsibility to provide support for your argument. It is not our responsibility to refute your argument. Moreover, that little shift of the goalposts is duly noted. "Any reports" can mean quacks and treatments that might have been accepted at one point in time but are now considered illegitimate. Over 200 girls. Nassar was a BIG fan of little girls' vaginas. If vaginal treatment was so "legitimate", then it would be widespread. Little girls that aren't gymnasts still go to doctors every day for ankle, knee, wrist injuries. And their doctors don't seem to be offering up vaginal therapy for these sorts of injuries.
You haven't done a shred of research into the issue, that much is clear. Would you accept a study from the National Institutes of Health? How about articles or blog posts from osteopathic doctors trained in the technique? Physical therapists? Physios?
I'm not the one shifting the goal posts. I am not the one claiming that what he did was not medical treatment, or not medically indicated. The people here who are saying that, have done no research, have no personal qualifications to make those assessments, and didn't examine the patients. They literally have no basis for their belief, other than what the government has alleged. They are credulous people.
Reasonably skeptical people, the sort you would impanel on a jury with the expectation that they will actually attempt to deliberate, would at least make some effort to determine for themselves if what the government alleges is true or even makes sense as a theory of guilt.
God help us all if the posters here are representative of the American population. Nobody is safe from a "jury of their peers" if this is the pool.
Actually, that's not true. These are elite gymnasts. They were required to regularly see the doctor, whether they had a complaint or not.
That's not true. They may have been required to have a physical periodically but nobody ordered them to see him regularly.
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They even testified he would make excuses for them to have to come see him, injury or not. The testimony was that this wasn't even always in a medical environment.
That isn't the case for ALL of the complainants - only for some of them. Sometimes the treatments were delivered off site because the team was on travel for meets. In at least a couple of complaints, the treatments were conducted at a private residence - I recall reading one complaint that said it was at Nassar's home, and another that said it was at the home of the complainant. But the vast majority appear to have been at the gymnastics centers which were the main training locations or regular place of work for Nassar.
If a female sports Dr. touched my genitals just for kicks when I was 14, 12 or even 5. I don't care. It wouldn't cause me or anyone else any real harm. And I couldn't care less about this whole charade .
If a female sports Dr. touched my genitals just for kicks when I was 14, 12 or even 5. I don't care. It wouldn't cause me or anyone else any real harm. And I couldn't care less about this whole charade .
Once again, YOU are the one making the affirmative argument. It is YOUR responsibility to provide support for your argument. It is not our responsibility to refute your argument. Moreover, that little shift of the goalposts is duly noted. "Any reports" can mean quacks and treatments that might have been accepted at one point in time but are now considered illegitimate. Over 200 girls. Nassar was a BIG fan of little girls' vaginas. If vaginal treatment was so "legitimate", then it would be widespread. Little girls that aren't gymnasts still go to doctors every day for ankle, knee, wrist injuries. And their doctors don't seem to be offering up vaginal therapy for these sorts of injuries.
Exactly. If I had a sports injury, I'd be highly skeptical of a doctor saying "I need to look at your privates" Um...really? Unless it's actually my privates that were injured then the doctor needs to stay away from those parts.
Also, Nassar isn't the only healthcare professional out there abusing trust in patients. Sadly this goes on quite frequently.
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