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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-16-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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Have you reported this to the authorities?
Report what? They are legal collectibles owned by an adult. Something happened a while back that endangered another family member and that was it. I was told by a law enforcement friend that it was not illegal and as long as the weapons were secured and no threats there is nothing they can do. I was considered a trouble maker by the mother for getting upset about it. I have nothing to do with them anymore.

There are many dysfunctional families that will do anything to protect the weakest or most vile member of the family and even project it all on to someone innocent.

Everyone knew about Nikolas Cruz's problems and scary behavior but there was always some responsible, grown adult to take him in to their home so he can be well fed and rested for shooting his guns and killing animals. Why would it not progress to people? If he had just killed a couple friends or family member we wouldn't even know of him. Happens all the time.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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We are a violent society. We are okay with kids watching crap get blown up or action movies where people get shot up, but have an issue with sex education. Just watch TV or anywhere on the internet. Violence, violence, violence. Guns are a big part of that violence too.

We are a society obsessed with violence. We blame everything but ourselves.
Not only do we blame we constantly find excuses for the one major thing in all of this, the person who did it and/or the people who blindly allowed it to happen.
Example:
Your child was building bombs in their bedroom/garage, why didn't you call someone? "Well, he/she was a good child, never,ever did anything wrong and was just the quiet,shy type. I thought he/she was just fooling around and would never,ever do anything like this".

Or, your child was sacrificing small animals on an altar surrounded by candles and torturing small pets and watching death porn. "Well, he was always so nice and meek, I figured it was just a phase he was going through and that he'd snap out of it".

Sound familiar?
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:27 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Correct. The VA Tech shooting killed 32. Handguns were used.

Guns aren't the problem. It's a people problem. Approximately 16,000 homicides/year are committed in the US via various methods. Gun homicides are 9,280, or 58% of them. Most of those are Black on Black murders in urban areas.
Until the amount of people shot to death in the USA 'tallie' with the rest of the first world your argument is flawed, and it doesn't matter how much you squirm, come back to us when the US is in line with the rest of the world despite all the guns and then we might take you seriously.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: sumter
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Wasn't it a years ago this month that Trump, repealed Obama era gun checks regulation. That would have blocked some mentally ill people from buying guns.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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"You can't have mass shootings without guns" is simplistic.

These acts are a consequence of MANY failures. As usual, the left choose to focus on the weapon, rather than laws (FL has a full ban in schools, BTW) which bar principled adults from protecting themselves, and others (and which Cruz ignored), the "anything goes," AKA no right-no wrong mentality taught in schools today, the routine medicating of students, overwhelmingly BOYS who act like Tom Sawyer, and the lack of parental/adult interest or discipline.

Attacks on innocent gun owners are useless. The rights of citizens will never be abridged due to the reprehensible acts of evildoers and madmen Believe it.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:32 AM
 
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Until the amount of people shot to death in the USA 'tallie' with the rest of the first world your argument is flawed, and it doesn't matter how much you squirm, come back to us when the US is in line with the rest of the world despite all the guns and then we might take you seriously.
In case you haven't noticed (I'M sure you have) the United State is not like the rest of the world, and pretty much doesn't care to "get in line" with it. I'm not saying that is good or bad but it is true.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Early America
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We can all guess and offer opinions all day long and for decades to come, but unless and until there are some extensive studies done to identify the reasons behind these killings and steps taken to mostly* stop the violence, which might lead to some VERY tough choices, all this discussion will amount to nothing.

Btw, I think the following video is very interesting because Michael Moore ("Bowling for Columbine") seems to be saying that he now feels that antidepressants are largely to blame for some young men becoming killers --
Michael Moore is a moron. It's not the antidepressants ... it's the mental illness they are taking the antidepressants for
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Actually, its the other way around - but I'm sure you knew that.

LOL. So everyone walking around with a gun - like something out of the wild, wild, west is your answer?

I don't think so.
So what would you do in a situation where a crazed individual or a terrorist was shooting people in a location where there are a lot of people, call 911? By the time police arrive, they'll most likely be investigating a crime scene, whereas with a number of armed civilians, they could stop or even prevent such a dangerous situation.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Until the amount of people shot to death in the USA 'tallie' with the rest of the first world your argument is flawed, and it doesn't matter how much you squirm, come back to us when the US is in line with the rest of the world despite all the guns and then we might take you seriously.
No, it is not. As gun ownership has increased by 50% in the US, the gun homicide rate has DECREASED by 50%, and the nonfatal violent gun crimes rate has DECREASED by 76%. I already posted the stats in this thread. Sources: Centers for Disease Control, the Congressional Research Service, and Pew Research.

Guns are NOT the problem. In fact, an increase in ownership has yielded a DECREASE in the violent crimes rates.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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"You can't have mass shootings without guns" is simplistic.

These acts are a consequence of MANY failures. As usual, the left choose to focus on the weapon, rather than laws (FL has a full ban in schools, BTW) which bar principled adults from protecting themselves, and others (and which Cruz ignored), the "anything goes," AKA no right-no wrong mentality taught in schools today, the routine medicating of students, overwhelmingly BOYS who act like Tom Sawyer, and the lack of parental/adult interest or discipline.

Attacks on innocent gun owners are useless. The rights of citizens will never be abridged due to the reprehensible acts of evildoers and madmen Believe it.
Then there is the 18 YO with mental problems and a track record of making threats both in person and on-line buying an assault rife and large quantities of ammo without any screening...

Just saying - the correlation seems clear.
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