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The Government also has many 3 letter acronym agencys at their disposal if needed to confiscate, and National Guard. Think Marshal law, you know, like in Katrina where armed citizens were having weapons confiscated. Some of it due to shooting at LEO's
And yet the state of Florida has no legal way to confiscate weapons from a sick kid like the one who just murdered 17 people and injured almost as many others. The NRA lobby as seen to that.
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The Government also has many 3 letter acronym agencys at their disposal if needed to confiscate, and National Guard. Think Marshal law, you know, like in Katrina where armed citizens were having weapons confiscated. Some of it due to shooting at LEO's
Quite a bit different to confiscate a weapon from someone shooting at you after you apprehend them than to go into homes all across the country to collect weapons people wont turn in.
Who's going to search millions of American homes to confiscate weapons. Not enough courts to issue all those search warrants, much less people to conduct the searches.
Okay. The mechanics for doing this are laid out in the Constitution.<>
40,000 active and reserve Coasties, to confisticate 300,000,000 firearms from people who have them, a lot of ammunition, and the will to use them.
So your first step will be to eliminate posse comitatus. See the previous sentence.
Now step back and make a serious proposal to put 10,000,000 potential killers under surveillance by the FBI.
I guess I left out details:
WIKI:
"To become part of the Constitution, an amendment must be ratified by
either—as determined by Congress—
the legislatures of three-fourths (presently 38) of the states or
State ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states.
Thirty-three amendments to the United States Constitution have been approved by Congress and sent to the states for ratification.
Twenty-seven of these amendments have been ratified and are now part of the Constitution.
As of 2018, the convention process has never been used for proposing constitutional amendments."
Now to avoid a big battle here, I agree we would probably be better off without the ready availability of firearms, given the existence of the groups that are so ready to use them to commit murder.
What I've done here is to show you how to achieve that goal. Screaming at the cameras for the media isn't helpful.
I am not planning or fomenting for a revolution, I'm just telling you there would be one.
This is demonstrative of a completely complacent attitude.
So you're willing to simply accept mass-shootings as just a normal facet of everyday American life.
No! It is not and it will not be acceptable, provided that we have the proper leadership and government to curtail this nonsense.
We need strict gun control and we need it now!
Actually yes. Infrequent mass killings ARE NORMAL. A certain proportion of people in a large diverse country such as ours will go off the deep end. It will happen about once every 3 or 4 months. 20-100 people will die in each event. That is to be expected and accepted, because it is reality. Concentrating on the MODE of killing misses the whole point. Dealing with the killing modes will not change the events themselves. Different modes will be selected if we attempt to curtail any one mode. An evil human is an ingenious mechanism. There are literally tens of thousands of ways to kill 75 people.
So gun control fanaticism is literally stupid. It misses the whole point and seeks to curtail rights that are more valuable than the periodic death toll created by mass killers.
Remember, we lose more people in car accidents every week than we lose in mass killings every year. So, for example, 13,500 shooting deaths per year compared with 1,200,000 car accident deaths. And those 13,500 shooting deaths include all the criminals killing each other, which actually HELPS us.
So, no. Mass killings every 2-4 months is NORMAL, and all you can do is execute the perps, and probably keep their infamy down by not identifying them so publicly. The media should refuse to publish the name or picture of these creeps. That might knock down the copycat aspect.
And if they can't get them out of state, they'll just turn to black markets, probably supplied through Mexico. Gonna ban guns there too? Wait, they are already banned in Mexico.
Didn't a lot of guns turn up that were sent to Mexico by the Federal Government is some kind of BATFE operation? I remember it was Fast and a lot of people in Mexico and elsewhere were Furious?
No, I'm simply using the vernacular frequently used by the FOX news people and friends. They quite often use these terms in order to make certain that their audience is shifted to the "Right" or "Republican" side of thinking.
Most people are followers NOT leaders. Human beings in general want to be led by good leaders. They therefore, essentially want to be controlled. However, they don't want their subservience to be demonstrative.
What we need now are several things put in place.
Like the following perhaps:
(1) Amend the 2nd Amendment.
(2) Severely restrict gun ownership.
(3) Impose heavy fines and long sentences on those caught in the illegal possession of a firearm.
(4) Legally hold responsible the owner of a firearm that is used in any crime. Gun owners need to be aware of their firearm's location at all times.
(5) All firearms need to be kept in a secure location and either locked or disabled while in that location.
(6) Any parent of a child found guilty of a mass shooting should be subject to a criminal investigation themselves.
(7) All mass shooters should be expeditiously executed by a firing squad immediately after trial. No age restrictions. No mental health mitigations.
(8) The NRA should be completely dissolved, placed on the U.S. terrorist list, and considered as an enemy of the state.
You are concentrating on the wrong thing and making irrational suggestions that will never happen. Concentrate on car accident deaths and try to outlaw transportation. That makes as much sense.
The problem with these periodic normal mass killings is that they are so dramatic. Shrieking relatives and blood soaked bodies. It makes for a compelling media circus. And then the silliness starts with the gun control and the demagoguery and the crocodile tears with Jimmy Kimmel and the Don Lemon hand wringing. All so silly. Yet a million people will die in car accidents that are ALSO NORMAL and we simply look for safety improvements. A lot more rational.
Kill the perps and we move on. The more we sensationalize it, the more the copycats copy the cats.
<>So you're willing to simply accept mass-shootings as just a normal facet of everyday American life.<>
We need strict gun control and we need it now!
1. Mass killing is an aspect of human life, no need to be chauvinistic about it. Islam is a good(?) example. Half of them hate the other half and young men get all riled up at the other side and are willing to blow themselves up to honor their idea of god. Out young men have no god to relate to, USUALLY, so they go to school for revenge and hatred.
There are other examples around the world where young men are going out in the name of nationality of religion or politics and killing the angry young boys on the other side.
Here we just get them killing old classmates.
2. See my post on how to accomplish that. Oh, but first, please define "strict gun control." Not for what you understand some other nation has done, but how it would work in the USA. "Hopefully without a revolution"
In a nation of 300+ million people there will be periodic mass murders. It it unavoidable and there is nothing to be done about it other than execute any murderer who does not save us the trouble by killing himself. Gun control will never be the answer, even after the next mass shooting and the hundred after that. Eliminating guns will simply change the methodology. Like driving cars into crowds of people. So let’s stop concentrating on guns. Guns simply must always be a protected method for people to defend themselves.
We will never get rid of the phenomenon of the mass murder every so often. It is still exceedingly rare and always will be. But it will happen, always. In a nation of 300+ million people, someone will go off the deep end every few months. Nothing can be done about it.
Further gun controls will not solve anything.
So if we had 200 million no mass murders? What about 280 million? China has 1.4 billion people, India 1.3 billion, Indonesia 266 million - none of them have mass murders every two or three months
That is probably one of the worst excuses for not doing anything to stop mass shootings that I have ever read, anywhere.
1. Mass killing is an aspect of human life, no need to be chauvinistic about it. Islam is a good(?) example. Half of them hate the other half and young men get all riled up at the other side and are willing to blow themselves up to honor their idea of god. Out young men have no god to relate to, USUALLY, so they go to school for revenge and hatred.
There are other examples around the world where young men are going out in the name of nationality of religion or politics and killing the angry young boys on the other side.
Here we just get them killing old classmates.
2. See my post on how to accomplish that. Oh, but first, please define "strict gun control." Not for what you understand some other nation has done, but how it would work in the USA. "Hopefully without a revolution"
Where do you people come up with stuff like that? There no evidence to support it whatsoever.
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