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It is essential to define what we are discussing or the result is argument over unimportant details.
Look up AR 15 or you do not know what you are talking about or worrying over. One of the thinking points here is military weapons are designed to some degree, to wound, not kill. It take a lot of resources in a fire fight to deal with wounded comrades. The weapons that strike fear in your heart would be replaced by more lethal weapons.
Your vocabulary doesn't help the discussion. It does give posters an incentive to block you as a poster who relies on sexism to make a point.
I realise this is not a debate class, but it is not a drama class either.
What nonsense, military weapons are designed to kill, you don't engage in combat and hope you just hurt your enemy a little bit you try to kill them. Where in the world did you ever come up with that?
What nonsense, military weapons are designed to kill, you don't engage in combat and hope you just hurt your enemy a little bit you try to kill them. Where in the world did you ever come up with that?
We aren't discussing military weapons, we're discussing the most commonly owned civilian rifle.
It's definitely from Dr. Peter Facione, he updates his wonderful essay, Critical Thinking: What It Is and Why It Counts every year, not sure which year that particular format is from (perhaps 2009?).
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
I also think it is easy to critically think our way toward doing nothing, because sometimes we are inclined toward the easy way out rather than believe we can do better. Still, regardless, good strong critical thinking is key. So is balance. Neither is commonly found in this forum...
And yet the state of Florida has no legal way to confiscate weapons from a sick kid like the one who just murdered 17 people and injured almost as many others. The NRA lobby as seen to that.
It's not the NRA, in your statement above, that's responsible. People in this country do have rights, and even the ACLU would be on the case if this kid were detained. Perhaps it's time to revisit, legally, what avenues are available to parents and family when it comes to having their kid or relative adjudicated as mentally ill. It would seem with this particular guy that there would have been enough evidence to do that. And if the parents or relatives won't (or can't) see to it, do we need other ways?
There are also HIPPA laws that need to be followed. The NRA has nothing to do with that, either. For all of you who are ready to remove gun owners' rights, what other rights are you willing to give away?
If I believed that we would never see another school or church shooting again by banning the AR-15, if I knew that another parent would not have to suffer the loss of a child, I would hand it over tomorrow. Then what? Because it won't stop the shootings. Only the complete removal of guns will do that. Remove the AR, and it will be the handgun, and the shotgun, and on and on. Some of us do have reason to own guns, and I'm not going to give up one of my most effective ways to protect my family, pets, and property.
And yet the state of Florida has no legal way to confiscate weapons from a sick kid like the one who just murdered 17 people and injured almost as many others. The NRA lobby as seen to that.
You are too focused on the immediate shock. There are laws that would permit this, but authority to do that is limited by due process. The Baker Laws allow very radical treatment of those once
they are found to act erratically. There is a concerted effort to control the application of these laws in areas far more complex than shootings. Do some research.
Yeah, it's much better too let them see violence in glorified Hollywood form.
How about we find workable solutions to the problem, as the poster was attempting to do?
You are against not allowing our children to witness deadly shootings of their classmates?
This solution is right under our noses.
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Research has found that states with more expansive background check laws experience 48 percent less gun trafficking, 38 percent fewer deaths of women shot by intimate partners, and 17 percent fewer firearms involved in aggravated assaults.7 States with universal background check requirements also have a 53 percent lower gun suicide rate, and a 31 percent lower overall suicide rate than states without these laws.8 This correlation is unchanged even after controlling for the effects of poverty, population density, age, education, and race/ethnicity.9 After controlling for these variables, universal background checks were associated with 22% fewer suicides and 35% fewer firearm suicides per capita.
We've all long had more than enough compelling reason to stop these sorts of tragedies, but there simply is no real solution in a country with over 300 million guns, not for gun violence anyway, and gun violence is not the only kind of violence of course.
What does seem inevitable is more and more security that prevents anyone with a gun from entering "gun free zones," like in airports, courthouses, and other public venues where a security check-point and gun-screening barriers are set up to ensure no one inside has a gun. Hate to see it, and won't be cheap, but at least that's one approach that everyone agrees tends to work for the most part.
At least that way kids can feel safer once they are in school, parents too, and if education matters, thinking about other than guns while at school matters too.
Not sure how safe they can be getting to school however, but hey, some practical level of safety in school is better than none! (Also in other public arenas like concerts, sports events, etc.)
A number of the boys I graduated with in high school class died in Vietnam, that happened across the US and created a huge backlash to the war, waking up people who were apolitical like myself and making us angry enough to get out and protest until the war was ultimately ended. I think there will be a similar backlash against our lax gun laws when the kids who are currently in school start to vote
It's not the NRA, in your statement above, that's responsible. People in this country do have rights, and even the ACLU would be on the case if this kid were detained. Perhaps it's time to revisit, legally, what avenues are available to parents and family when it comes to having their kid or relative adjudicated as mentally ill. It would seem with this particular guy that there would have been enough evidence to do that. And if the parents or relatives won't (or can't) see to it, do we need other ways?
There are also HIPPA laws that need to be followed. The NRA has nothing to do with that, either. For all of you who are ready to remove gun owners' rights, what other rights are you willing to give away?
If I believed that we would never see another school or church shooting again by banning the AR-15, if I knew that another parent would not have to suffer the loss of a child, I would hand it over tomorrow. Then what? Because it won't stop the shootings. Only the complete removal of guns will do that. Remove the AR, and it will be the handgun, and the shotgun, and on and on. Some of us do have reason to own guns, and I'm not going to give up one of my most effective ways to protect my family, pets, and property.
Using HIPPA laws as an excuse is a smokescreen. A gun buyer simply signs a form, as we are required to sign for insurance payment of medical bills, that allows their medical history to be checked prior to being allowed to buy a gun or ammunition.
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