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Wasn't one guy wielding a knife was it? Seems it was a "group" of people wielding knives. Nothing is quite as efficient as a gun in one person's hands.
Tell that to the people in Nice, a truck was much more "efficient" there.
But presenting one time in China where a knife was used to kill as an example why no gun control should be int he discussion, is not sensible, rational.
Tools besides guns have been used to kill for centuries, including modern times. Bombs, knives, airliners, gasoline, chemical agents, etc. Further restrictions on guns, which are already extensive, will require an Amendment to the Constitution which makes the discussion moot. If people really want to further restrict LEGALLY owned guns, from the Law Abiding, the discussion should focus on how the Constitution can be Amended, and taking the step necessary to do so. Until then, it is just mental masturbation.
Is this supposed to negate the 17 dead teen-agers and teachers?
Negate? No. An attempt to get the ignorant to stop focusing on the tool used and maybe do something that would actually prevent something in the future. Sadly liberals will continue to push their political agenda without any regard for actually saving lives or stopping crime.
The concept of GUN VIOLENCE is flawed, false, and purposely dishonest. It removes the human element, and puts the sole blame on the tool as if it has its own will. It is just another ploy to justify removing legally owned guns from the law abiding for further control, and dependency on the almighty STATE which is largely CORRUPT.
Funny thing about OKC. In the weeks and months after the bombing, Congress and the president passed laws to make it harder for anyone to get that much ammonia nitrate and fertilizer. There hasn't been a bombing like that since in America than I am aware of.
Since 9/11, Americans have been scrutinized at airports like crazy. One guy with a shoe bomb and now a lot of folks have to take their shoes off to get on an airplane.
A lot of folks are making snarky jokes about restricting knives after a knife attack in America. I actually think there is a better chance of Congress enacting tougher knife laws than there is of Congress enacting tougher gun laws.
Ammonium Nitrate in commercial fertilizer was limited to under 40% composition post McVeigh. Prior to McVeigh you could buy 90% composition AN Fertilizer. Typically in it's 34-0-0 it's 34% AN.
That said you can refine 34% AN fertilizer to 95% AN fertilizer with some water, coffee filters, and drying pools, piece of cake. So you'd just need to buy 3 times the quantity, for the same boom and take a little more time.
It's also in cold packs, the one with the snap or squeeze activation, you can pick them up and they're highly refined AN (in general, there's also CAN [calcium ammonium nitrate], and Urea).
Further as it's base components are nitric acid and anhydrous (gaseous) ammonia, it's pretty easy to manufacture in large quantities (but can be dangerous, due to the reaction, don't try it at home unless you really do want to make an ANFO bomb, and are prepared for early detonation prior to construction) and on drying results in 95-99.9% NH4NO3.
Finally you can make AN out of urine, so there's that too, it's pretty common urine, and no I'm not taking the urine.
each attacker killed 6 people. If each attacker had a AK-47, they would have the ability to kill 30 people. Your disinformation campaign is frightening and scary in complicity of people like the FL shooter.
That's the point -- we have to have the discussion.
I think many people thing that it isn't just about gun control. It is about securing school premises, it is about society becoming more aware of potential risks, and it may be more restrictions on gun ownership -- will all combine to provide our kids with a more secure school environment.
But presenting one time in China where a knife was used to kill as an example why no gun control should be int he discussion, is not sensible, rational.
Knives are used all the time. This was simply one example of many.
I agree that the problem is the person, not the means. However, the means surely help. The easiest thing to kill the most amount of people in the shortest is a semi-automatic. Maybe bombs are more effective but they aren't the easiest.
Wrong. Driving a car or truck into a crowd is the easiest way, no background checks, no waiting periods, no ID required just some cash.
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We aren't getting rid of the "means" and we are obviously not going to do anything about the person either. So we get down to mitigating risk. Just make it harder. Won't stop it, but it probably will save some lives. You will never convince me that the general public needs access to weapons suited for combat response from law enforcement or the military.
Lying or just ignorant about what YOUR politicians want?
If I could’ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them — Mr. and Mrs. America turn ’em all in — I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here. Senator Feinstein (D)
I'm sure you will never be convinced, most rabid anti gun nuts are close minded and not interested in facts. I'm sure that banning 100+ year old technology will "solve" the problem in your view. You probably also believe there have been 18 school shootings this year.
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